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Well it’s been said a few times that the interviews were arranged before we won at Leicester so we can’t have a go at them jumping on the back of a win .
However , they are on the back of a plea by Hoos for the fans to stick their hand in their pockets to try and get the Community Trust out of the sh*t. “Let’s all do an interview so it doesn’t look so blatant “ 3 interviews and apart from admitting the Trust is in financial trouble , almost nothing said that we didn’t know or have heard (not necessarily true ) already . So why do them now?
Any link between Andy Evans leaving and the financial difficulties?
Like Furlong, mid season and seemingly without warning struck me as an odd time to depart.
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Nourry interview on 11:57 - Mar 29 with 3130 views
Any link between Andy Evans leaving and the financial difficulties?
Like Furlong, mid season and seemingly without warning struck me as an odd time to depart.
In the interview Hoos gave he said that the grant funding the Trust received is drying up and he suggested this is a problem for all football community trusts and not just QPR.
I'm not sure which specific grants he is referring too or how big a hole this will put in the Trust's finances but it doesn't sound good.
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Nourry interview on 12:16 - Mar 29 with 3080 views
In the interview Hoos gave he said that the grant funding the Trust received is drying up and he suggested this is a problem for all football community trusts and not just QPR.
I'm not sure which specific grants he is referring too or how big a hole this will put in the Trust's finances but it doesn't sound good.
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FYI
This isn't a definitive list because not all grant funders publish details of their funding.
If you search "QPR" on the 360Giving database it returns 24 grants since 2011 totalling over £1.2m. These come from a wide range of funders. There's even one from the Ministry of Defence!!
The list doesn't mention anything from funders like The Football Foundation or Barclays who we might have been eligible to receive funding from.
Firstly, the interviewer lobbed plenty of softball questions. I suspect that Clive would have been far more robust.
It's hard to argue with the strategy of bringing in young players, developing them and selling them on. At some stage, if successful, the club should be.more sustainable. Without regular cash injections from the board.
Devolving responsibilities to specialists isn't wrong. However, you need all those specialists to perform and be answerable. It's more or less irrelevant whether the reporting line is to the CEO or a DOF.
Is it his speaking style or acknowledging the realities that made him come across as somewhat unambitious. At least in the short term ( 25/26, 26/27 and, even 27/28). Steady improvement is fine but it would be.nice to put a booster under it..
Look, I think we have the basis of a side. The starting XI vs Portsmouth had an average age of just over 24, the side at the end was just under 23. Can we build on it?
Part of the issue with Nourry is the previous BS, which contributes to posters' negative perceptions. Add youth and inexperience and you have an imperfect individual.
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Nourry interview on 18:32 - Mar 29 with 2842 views
Watching Part 2 on Youtube talking Injuries State of the Pitch Loans, particularly outwards. Difference between approaches to First Team Squad and the DS/Academy. Trying not to loan in 1st teamers. Especially if it blocks one of our own Revised Play offs - no significant effect Would like to see 4 or 5 16 and 17 yo out on loan for next season
Still too pally for my taste
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Nourry interview on 19:21 - Mar 29 with 2789 views
I watch or listen to very few podcasts. I find them mostly verbose and tedious. But I sat through both parts of this to try and learn something.
Only two comments really. One is that I think we have an calm intelligent person helping to lead the club. Which is blessing. The only other one I can remember since the year dot is Warburton. Secondly I believe he really does seem interested in making decisions in the club's medium/longer term interests rather than the short termism that has plagued us in the past. Which is why he has the job.
We lost at West Brom over Christmas, it was their only win in 18 games. We lost 3-1 at home to Blackburn, at that stage only their third win in 18 games. We've played four times against Oxford and Sheff Wed and won once. We failed to score in two of those games and failed to score in open play in three of the four.
Actually I was surprised when I looked at the record. We have only lost 3 games to clubs now below us and won 5 games against teams now above us. We beat teams currently 14, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 x2, 24. Much less random than I imagined.
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Nourry interview on 16:14 - Mar 30 with 2232 views
Actually I was surprised when I looked at the record. We have only lost 3 games to clubs now below us and won 5 games against teams now above us. We beat teams currently 14, 15, 16, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 x2, 24. Much less random than I imagined.
However, that's doesn't tell the whole story as some teams that are now above us were below us and in poor form when we lost to them. The Championship is truly bonkers.
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Nourry interview on 16:26 - Mar 30 with 2214 views
However, that's doesn't tell the whole story as some teams that are now above us were below us and in poor form when we lost to them. The Championship is truly bonkers.
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It's a mistake to take league position early in the season and recent 'form' too seriously as an indication of actually how good a team are. Looking back you can see there were a lot of false assumptions.
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Nourry interview on 16:38 - Mar 30 with 2181 views
From what he said I would expect Nourry etc to take a long cool look at the injury log at the end of the season. When he'll conclude that they have taken a few too many risks in buying players with injury histories and they need to tweek the strategy.
Not because of the difficulties caused to the coach and results so much as the buy low/sell higher strategy won't work if there are too many injuries.
Of course he'd be daft to discuss such things with fans on podcasts.
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Nourry interview on 18:40 - Mar 30 with 2079 views
It's a mistake to take league position early in the season and recent 'form' too seriously as an indication of actually how good a team are. Looking back you can see there were a lot of false assumptions.
Nonsense. It's a mentality problem in our ranks. It's what Charity Park Rangers do; help teams in a rut kick start their season. Even Jarrod Bowen said in a recent interview that the catalyst for West Ham's resurgence in form was the FA cup win over QPR.
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Nourry interview on 19:34 - Mar 30 with 2013 views
It was quite interesting to hear him say we had more injuries last season, which contradicts what he said at the Fans forum.It was encouraging to hear him say they will review it and look to improve, thankfully, the pretend it isn't happening line has thankfully been dropped.
The answer about the playoff expansion was interesting in that it was pretty much a done deal so they didn't feel it was worth speaking to fans which I do get.
Like his predecessors he talks a good game, time will tell if it's going to be any different. If we get a player sale or 2 this summer and reinvest some of it we could be in a good place next season.
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Nourry interview on 23:35 - Mar 30 with 1876 views
Nonsense. It's a mentality problem in our ranks. It's what Charity Park Rangers do; help teams in a rut kick start their season. Even Jarrod Bowen said in a recent interview that the catalyst for West Ham's resurgence in form was the FA cup win over QPR.
Typical fan delusion.
They are just professional sportsmen doing a job of work. Form, niggles, confidence come and go. Why would they have a different mentality from all the other players in the division? Most of them came from other clubs. Why would they develop a mental problem when they get here. Is it you?
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Nourry interview on 00:05 - Mar 31 with 1843 views
They are just professional sportsmen doing a job of work. Form, niggles, confidence come and go. Why would they have a different mentality from all the other players in the division? Most of them came from other clubs. Why would they develop a mental problem when they get here. Is it you?
No, it's you, I'm afraid. You're deluded if you think mentality and sports psychology isn't a thing.
Mentality is a key reason why some athletes are more successful than others. It can explain why a team is up for one game but not another. It can explain why a team is so susceptible to conceding just after half time. It can explain why some players are more professional than others. It can explain why certain players produce week in, week out whilst others perform sporadically. It can explain why players of limited ability like Robbie Savage carve out a career at the top tier of football whilst others blessed with more talent like Ravel Morrison don't.
I could go on. Yes, they're professional sportsmen however, they're not robots, they're human beings. As such, they're complex creatures and mentality plays a big part in ultimate success or failure.
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Nourry interview on 09:26 - Mar 31 with 1733 views
No, it's you, I'm afraid. You're deluded if you think mentality and sports psychology isn't a thing.
Mentality is a key reason why some athletes are more successful than others. It can explain why a team is up for one game but not another. It can explain why a team is so susceptible to conceding just after half time. It can explain why some players are more professional than others. It can explain why certain players produce week in, week out whilst others perform sporadically. It can explain why players of limited ability like Robbie Savage carve out a career at the top tier of football whilst others blessed with more talent like Ravel Morrison don't.
I could go on. Yes, they're professional sportsmen however, they're not robots, they're human beings. As such, they're complex creatures and mentality plays a big part in ultimate success or failure.
Yes sure player mentality is a factor, both individual and team, but I thought we were debating whether there is something uniquely soft about our team and their results so as to justify the tag Charity Park Rangers. To me they are just an average Championship team doing much the same as all the other average Championship teams. Clearly from the facts I stated above we have quite consistent favourable results against what are now the bottom half teams, whatever position they temporarily were in when we played them.
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Nourry interview on 09:36 - Mar 31 with 1694 views
I watch or listen to very few podcasts. I find them mostly verbose and tedious. But I sat through both parts of this to try and learn something.
Only two comments really. One is that I think we have an calm intelligent person helping to lead the club. Which is blessing. The only other one I can remember since the year dot is Warburton. Secondly I believe he really does seem interested in making decisions in the club's medium/longer term interests rather than the short termism that has plagued us in the past. Which is why he has the job.
sorry he is a full on blagger , just my ipnion of course but i dont belive a word he says and havent one sine he got the job. anyone involved in football will see through him in ten mins of talking to him
Yes sure player mentality is a factor, both individual and team, but I thought we were debating whether there is something uniquely soft about our team and their results so as to justify the tag Charity Park Rangers. To me they are just an average Championship team doing much the same as all the other average Championship teams. Clearly from the facts I stated above we have quite consistent favourable results against what are now the bottom half teams, whatever position they temporarily were in when we played them.
JS has talked at times this season about mental fragility in the team - that may not be unique to us in comparison to certain other clubs, but it's certainly been identified.
Anyway I've only just watched Part 1 of this - it did improve a bit after the first 10 minutes thankfully. Two things that seemed to be new, at least to my ears, where:
- 50 points as the target - I don't remember the 50 point target being discussed before now. I could be wrong, but it feels like that's been slotted in after the fact after the season has fallen away. The idea he pitches of the players celebrating or not celebrating reaching that target seems very odd.
- Young players staying with us for 'next season and the season after that' - that seems to be at odds with the club as a stepping stone approach that has been described quite openly in the past: e.g. phrases like "hopefully it'll be with us", but no more than that when discussing a player's progression.
For us to move up the table they'd need to combine not only holding onto young players, but holding onto players who are better than what we have now, or who have got better than what they are now. But how does that factor into the average age of the squad and the need to sell? Is the idea that we would still be able to sell, while moving up the table in the next couple of seasons as players develop? I don't know that the squad is anywhere near good enough at this point to do both things at once. Feels like a difficult balance and I don't know that anyone is really clear on it - well I'm not anyway.
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Nourry interview on 10:54 - Mar 31 with 1563 views
JS has talked at times this season about mental fragility in the team - that may not be unique to us in comparison to certain other clubs, but it's certainly been identified.
Anyway I've only just watched Part 1 of this - it did improve a bit after the first 10 minutes thankfully. Two things that seemed to be new, at least to my ears, where:
- 50 points as the target - I don't remember the 50 point target being discussed before now. I could be wrong, but it feels like that's been slotted in after the fact after the season has fallen away. The idea he pitches of the players celebrating or not celebrating reaching that target seems very odd.
- Young players staying with us for 'next season and the season after that' - that seems to be at odds with the club as a stepping stone approach that has been described quite openly in the past: e.g. phrases like "hopefully it'll be with us", but no more than that when discussing a player's progression.
For us to move up the table they'd need to combine not only holding onto young players, but holding onto players who are better than what we have now, or who have got better than what they are now. But how does that factor into the average age of the squad and the need to sell? Is the idea that we would still be able to sell, while moving up the table in the next couple of seasons as players develop? I don't know that the squad is anywhere near good enough at this point to do both things at once. Feels like a difficult balance and I don't know that anyone is really clear on it - well I'm not anyway.
Agreed - I am glad I am not the only one. It's all very well saying that we have to sell anything that moves if we get a good price, but how does that equate with moving up the table? Progressing as a club? Let's say we have no luck with sales in the summer. By the January transfer window we are top 6 (ho ho) with Kone, Burrell, Madsen all firing. We flog two of the three for a tidy sum and all our PSR dreams come true. Even if we reinvest properly, we all know that most new players take a good number of games to bed in. So aren't we back to square one, flopping down towards 16th?
I know Brentford did it, but did they REALLY do it like this? Did they cash in when they were in the middle of a successful campaign? Did they do so without already having their replacements ready to go? I always thought that they managed to get to a stage where they were able to convince foolish PL clubs to pay over the odds for players that weren't that good, simply because of reputation. I may well be wrong.
Apart from knowing they only sold Watkins after a Play Off Final defeat, I don't really know the answers to these questions, but it seems far-fetched to me that we are going to get anywhere with the current strategy. Especially as it's us, I do not trust us to get better replacements, to be honest.
But I do get the point as to what else can we do?
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Nourry interview on 11:46 - Mar 31 with 1473 views
Agreed - I am glad I am not the only one. It's all very well saying that we have to sell anything that moves if we get a good price, but how does that equate with moving up the table? Progressing as a club? Let's say we have no luck with sales in the summer. By the January transfer window we are top 6 (ho ho) with Kone, Burrell, Madsen all firing. We flog two of the three for a tidy sum and all our PSR dreams come true. Even if we reinvest properly, we all know that most new players take a good number of games to bed in. So aren't we back to square one, flopping down towards 16th?
I know Brentford did it, but did they REALLY do it like this? Did they cash in when they were in the middle of a successful campaign? Did they do so without already having their replacements ready to go? I always thought that they managed to get to a stage where they were able to convince foolish PL clubs to pay over the odds for players that weren't that good, simply because of reputation. I may well be wrong.
Apart from knowing they only sold Watkins after a Play Off Final defeat, I don't really know the answers to these questions, but it seems far-fetched to me that we are going to get anywhere with the current strategy. Especially as it's us, I do not trust us to get better replacements, to be honest.
But I do get the point as to what else can we do?
his stategy is one thing and one thing only , production line of players to sell on , promotion etc dosnt come into the mix for a long long time , its purely buy cheap (broken) sell big , isse is as we have found with varanne this season is whens the right time to sell , stick with them for another season and hope they go to the next level and make more or sell earlier?
last season runmoured offers of 5/6 million for varanne club rumoured to want 10 million , this season hes probably worth less than 4 million on his performances so far. how long will the fans carry on selling out most games if this is the future ? Season tickets will be out soon , will probably be ok this season with renewals , a couple of carefully picked fav player extenstions to be announced just before we put them on sale
Agreed - I am glad I am not the only one. It's all very well saying that we have to sell anything that moves if we get a good price, but how does that equate with moving up the table? Progressing as a club? Let's say we have no luck with sales in the summer. By the January transfer window we are top 6 (ho ho) with Kone, Burrell, Madsen all firing. We flog two of the three for a tidy sum and all our PSR dreams come true. Even if we reinvest properly, we all know that most new players take a good number of games to bed in. So aren't we back to square one, flopping down towards 16th?
I know Brentford did it, but did they REALLY do it like this? Did they cash in when they were in the middle of a successful campaign? Did they do so without already having their replacements ready to go? I always thought that they managed to get to a stage where they were able to convince foolish PL clubs to pay over the odds for players that weren't that good, simply because of reputation. I may well be wrong.
Apart from knowing they only sold Watkins after a Play Off Final defeat, I don't really know the answers to these questions, but it seems far-fetched to me that we are going to get anywhere with the current strategy. Especially as it's us, I do not trust us to get better replacements, to be honest.
But I do get the point as to what else can we do?
Millwall sold Esse for £12m in January 2025.
They then sold Tanganga for a reported £7-10m last summer.
They seem to be doing alright :-)
Selling to improve by reinvesting can be done. Brighton, Brentford, and now Millwall are demonstrating that. But it's a long hard process and you need to make a lot of very tough decisions about sales and very smart investments as replacements.
That's the road we say we are on (again!)
I'm not convinced a load of data geeks are going to find all the right answers or know best how to deal with unexpected challenges (dodgy pitch, muscle injuries, etc.)
I would prefer to see some solid football experience in the mix. Steve Gallen would have been ideal, as Millwall are demonstrating.
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Nourry interview on 22:13 - Mar 31 with 1310 views
Agreed - I am glad I am not the only one. It's all very well saying that we have to sell anything that moves if we get a good price, but how does that equate with moving up the table? Progressing as a club? Let's say we have no luck with sales in the summer. By the January transfer window we are top 6 (ho ho) with Kone, Burrell, Madsen all firing. We flog two of the three for a tidy sum and all our PSR dreams come true. Even if we reinvest properly, we all know that most new players take a good number of games to bed in. So aren't we back to square one, flopping down towards 16th?
I know Brentford did it, but did they REALLY do it like this? Did they cash in when they were in the middle of a successful campaign? Did they do so without already having their replacements ready to go? I always thought that they managed to get to a stage where they were able to convince foolish PL clubs to pay over the odds for players that weren't that good, simply because of reputation. I may well be wrong.
Apart from knowing they only sold Watkins after a Play Off Final defeat, I don't really know the answers to these questions, but it seems far-fetched to me that we are going to get anywhere with the current strategy. Especially as it's us, I do not trust us to get better replacements, to be honest.
But I do get the point as to what else can we do?
I don't think what we're doing is comparable with Brentford, I think it's clear they have a very special owner who knows what he's doing, they sold players at difficult times, Scott Hogan went during a push for the playoffs but they brougt in Watkins, they lost others like Konsa mid season I think.
The key to if Nourry will be a succsess or not comes in the next 12 months, can we sell one of the players hes helped bring in for good money and then can we reinvest that and improve the squad. Can one of the young players in the academy break into the first team and make a difference, an Emmerson Sutton or someone else. None of us know if that will happen or not, I hope he does and proves a lot of us wrong.
Agreed - I am glad I am not the only one. It's all very well saying that we have to sell anything that moves if we get a good price, but how does that equate with moving up the table? Progressing as a club? Let's say we have no luck with sales in the summer. By the January transfer window we are top 6 (ho ho) with Kone, Burrell, Madsen all firing. We flog two of the three for a tidy sum and all our PSR dreams come true. Even if we reinvest properly, we all know that most new players take a good number of games to bed in. So aren't we back to square one, flopping down towards 16th?
I know Brentford did it, but did they REALLY do it like this? Did they cash in when they were in the middle of a successful campaign? Did they do so without already having their replacements ready to go? I always thought that they managed to get to a stage where they were able to convince foolish PL clubs to pay over the odds for players that weren't that good, simply because of reputation. I may well be wrong.
Apart from knowing they only sold Watkins after a Play Off Final defeat, I don't really know the answers to these questions, but it seems far-fetched to me that we are going to get anywhere with the current strategy. Especially as it's us, I do not trust us to get better replacements, to be honest.
But I do get the point as to what else can we do?
You've invented a strawman there, well done.
Why would you have to sell two of the best players in January, in the middle of a season when in top 6? Nobody does that.
But yes, every 24 months or so, for about a decade, Brentford really did sell three or four of their best players, at the end of a successful season, just when it looked they were getting somewhere with those key players.
It appeared suicidal each time, but Benham and his team could see the end of a cycle others - including fans - could not. They could also, crucially, see the start of a new cycle.
This is the key. Brentford have Mathew Benham in charge: a maths genius with a degree from Oxford in physics, who made big money in the city, invented an analytics tool and betting company. He applied those skills and experience to football, firstly at Midtjylland in Denmark, where he invested £6m of his own money to successfully test out his theories, then at his beloved Brentford, where he appointed two people with complimentary experience at his betting firm and Midtjylland as his co-DOFs...
Most clubs don't have that person. QPR don't, which is part of the problem for me when Christian Nourry speaks in interviews as if he is that person. If you ever hear Benham speak about his work, he doesn't even sound as much like that person as Nourry does.
We'll see what Nourry does next summer. Can he sell Madsen, Burrell, Varane and maybe Edwards for big profit? That's the test. I can then compare the trading with what Benham - a genuine whizz kid, the actual "Lionel Messi of football administration" (arf) - did after three seasons running a club with our wannabe. Buying is the easy bit. Buying, selling, replenishing...that's the important cycle.
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