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Manchester United on 22:03 - Nov 8 by essextaxiboy
I dont really understand the vitreol concerning Man Utd . Sure some of their fans have become entitled and a bit plastic but I think thats inevitable when a team has been so successful for so long. As far as I know they havnt bought success from some oligarch or by cheating or some obnoxios regime but by spending big with their own generated money . In fact they have been put into debt by the Glazers and Ratcliffe has dismantled probably the most proffessional club commercial operation in the world . The fans have been shafted There has been no investment in the stadium and their recruitment has been dire. Personally I can think of at least 10 clubs who l would rather see in trouble
Well, no-one comes close to C*****a for obnoxiousness, but I'm 63 and Man Utd have been entitled w*nkers for my entire life.
In the pre-Fergie years they were still up themselves even though before they won the title in 1993 the last Manchester club to do it had been Allison's City in '68. They were perennial members of the "Big 5" clubs and always mentioned in any proposed "super league" breaking away from the Football League which eventually gave us the Premier League and all the sh*t that goes with it, including the dire financial position which clubs like QPR find themselves in.
That "most professional club professional organisation in the world" was about flogging merch to kids in say Oxford or Wycombe or Aldershot and making sure those same kids would never ever support their own local club, and flogging crappy shirts made in Far Eastern sweat shops to Far Eastern kids. The money generated was used to outbid other clubs for players, with laughable lack of success all through the 70s and 80s, hence the absolute outrage among United fans when skanky little Blackburn Rovers dared to outbid them for Alan Shearer and went on to win the title. It's also why so many other clubs find themselves only too happy to be taken over by some of the most shady individuals in the world (including ourselves back in the Briatore/Ecclestone days) - because United pioneered making football all about money and the only way to compete is to get a pile of it yourself.
Apart from The Scum the only other English clubs to come near to United in this sorry tale are Liverpool and more recently Citeh (though bloody Spurs would have done it if they weren't so laughably bad at it.)
Also: Eric Cantona in the 9 millionth minute of Fergie time.
F*ck 'em. Absolutely f*ck 'em into the sea. I hope they go down (and Man City can p*ss off too for their crimes) and if we go up above them by whatever means I'll laugh my head off.
Manchester United on 22:03 - Nov 8 by essextaxiboy
I dont really understand the vitreol concerning Man Utd . Sure some of their fans have become entitled and a bit plastic but I think thats inevitable when a team has been so successful for so long. As far as I know they havnt bought success from some oligarch or by cheating or some obnoxios regime but by spending big with their own generated money . In fact they have been put into debt by the Glazers and Ratcliffe has dismantled probably the most proffessional club commercial operation in the world . The fans have been shafted There has been no investment in the stadium and their recruitment has been dire. Personally I can think of at least 10 clubs who l would rather see in trouble
I don't understand this post...I have a fair bit of vitriol for my 91st least favourite team, let alone my 11th?
Whoever is responsible for signing new players needs to be removed. Singings have been well below expectations. They are a pretty poor side with poor & aging players.......
Manchester United on 22:03 - Nov 8 by essextaxiboy
I dont really understand the vitreol concerning Man Utd . Sure some of their fans have become entitled and a bit plastic but I think thats inevitable when a team has been so successful for so long. As far as I know they havnt bought success from some oligarch or by cheating or some obnoxios regime but by spending big with their own generated money . In fact they have been put into debt by the Glazers and Ratcliffe has dismantled probably the most proffessional club commercial operation in the world . The fans have been shafted There has been no investment in the stadium and their recruitment has been dire. Personally I can think of at least 10 clubs who l would rather see in trouble
If you have to ask the question, then I suspect you won't understand the answer.
Manchester United on 22:03 - Nov 8 by essextaxiboy
I dont really understand the vitreol concerning Man Utd . Sure some of their fans have become entitled and a bit plastic but I think thats inevitable when a team has been so successful for so long. As far as I know they havnt bought success from some oligarch or by cheating or some obnoxios regime but by spending big with their own generated money . In fact they have been put into debt by the Glazers and Ratcliffe has dismantled probably the most proffessional club commercial operation in the world . The fans have been shafted There has been no investment in the stadium and their recruitment has been dire. Personally I can think of at least 10 clubs who l would rather see in trouble
Fair point about the club being saddled with debt, no club deserves that.
Think there is also a bit of a generational thing. I can't stand Liverpool as in the 80s they were absolutely dominant so when Utd broke that, with Arsenal, and then won the CL in 1999 with loads of British and Irish players you couldn't help but grudgingly admire them.
I watched the game yesterday, and I could hardly recognise any of their players. A club adrift with no identity, signing random players and burning through cash, like Spurs, is in big danger of being relegated. Hello West Ham.
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Well, no-one comes close to C*****a for obnoxiousness, but I'm 63 and Man Utd have been entitled w*nkers for my entire life.
In the pre-Fergie years they were still up themselves even though before they won the title in 1993 the last Manchester club to do it had been Allison's City in '68. They were perennial members of the "Big 5" clubs and always mentioned in any proposed "super league" breaking away from the Football League which eventually gave us the Premier League and all the sh*t that goes with it, including the dire financial position which clubs like QPR find themselves in.
That "most professional club professional organisation in the world" was about flogging merch to kids in say Oxford or Wycombe or Aldershot and making sure those same kids would never ever support their own local club, and flogging crappy shirts made in Far Eastern sweat shops to Far Eastern kids. The money generated was used to outbid other clubs for players, with laughable lack of success all through the 70s and 80s, hence the absolute outrage among United fans when skanky little Blackburn Rovers dared to outbid them for Alan Shearer and went on to win the title. It's also why so many other clubs find themselves only too happy to be taken over by some of the most shady individuals in the world (including ourselves back in the Briatore/Ecclestone days) - because United pioneered making football all about money and the only way to compete is to get a pile of it yourself.
Apart from The Scum the only other English clubs to come near to United in this sorry tale are Liverpool and more recently Citeh (though bloody Spurs would have done it if they weren't so laughably bad at it.)
Also: Eric Cantona in the 9 millionth minute of Fergie time.
F*ck 'em. Absolutely f*ck 'em into the sea. I hope they go down (and Man City can p*ss off too for their crimes) and if we go up above them by whatever means I'll laugh my head off.
Couldn't have put it better myself mate. I'm a couple of years younger but that's exactly how I've seen them my whole life as well.
Can someone who knows more about the rules of current day football explain to me how Man U's 4th goal was allowed to stand? The Man U keeper went up for the corner, and as the ball is played in he has no interest in the ball, instead he focuses on the Villa keeper and clearly goes in to impede him by barging him with his backside. at no point does he try to play the ball. Is it a case of the Villa keeper should have been stronger in his attempt to clear the ball, or there was no chance the Ref/VAR etc would disallow a Man Utd goal at Old Trafford in the 96th minute?
Couldn't have put it better myself mate. I'm a couple of years younger but that's exactly how I've seen them my whole life as well.
Also, Ferguson.
Appalling sportsmanship, and a stain on the game. Whiney, whingey, arrogant, obnoxious.
Hung out with tax-dodging billionaires, and through his own greed drove them out, opening the door for the Glaziers and turning the Theatre of Dreams into the Theatre of Nightmares.
Hubris.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Well, no-one comes close to C*****a for obnoxiousness, but I'm 63 and Man Utd have been entitled w*nkers for my entire life.
In the pre-Fergie years they were still up themselves even though before they won the title in 1993 the last Manchester club to do it had been Allison's City in '68. They were perennial members of the "Big 5" clubs and always mentioned in any proposed "super league" breaking away from the Football League which eventually gave us the Premier League and all the sh*t that goes with it, including the dire financial position which clubs like QPR find themselves in.
That "most professional club professional organisation in the world" was about flogging merch to kids in say Oxford or Wycombe or Aldershot and making sure those same kids would never ever support their own local club, and flogging crappy shirts made in Far Eastern sweat shops to Far Eastern kids. The money generated was used to outbid other clubs for players, with laughable lack of success all through the 70s and 80s, hence the absolute outrage among United fans when skanky little Blackburn Rovers dared to outbid them for Alan Shearer and went on to win the title. It's also why so many other clubs find themselves only too happy to be taken over by some of the most shady individuals in the world (including ourselves back in the Briatore/Ecclestone days) - because United pioneered making football all about money and the only way to compete is to get a pile of it yourself.
Apart from The Scum the only other English clubs to come near to United in this sorry tale are Liverpool and more recently Citeh (though bloody Spurs would have done it if they weren't so laughably bad at it.)
Also: Eric Cantona in the 9 millionth minute of Fergie time.
F*ck 'em. Absolutely f*ck 'em into the sea. I hope they go down (and Man City can p*ss off too for their crimes) and if we go up above them by whatever means I'll laugh my head off.
I think you need to go back to the Matt Busby years to find where the widespread support was built on. He built a team of young players , got them into Europe saw them wiped out in a plahe crash and built them back up to win the European Cup with Best,Law and Charlton Sky TV was the driver of monetising the game ,we were a founding member club of course Blackburns success was down to one rich man bankrolling a title bid ,the club had no real wealth of its own . Ax for far Eastern sweat shops they are not licenced but counterfeiters who make what they can sell most of . By commercial operation I mean sponsorships and endorsements , I have some knowledge of the diligence and preparation they would go to , they used to turn down many company's who want their brand association . On Cantona totally agree of course
Manchester United on 22:03 - Nov 8 by essextaxiboy
I dont really understand the vitreol concerning Man Utd . Sure some of their fans have become entitled and a bit plastic but I think thats inevitable when a team has been so successful for so long. As far as I know they havnt bought success from some oligarch or by cheating or some obnoxios regime but by spending big with their own generated money . In fact they have been put into debt by the Glazers and Ratcliffe has dismantled probably the most proffessional club commercial operation in the world . The fans have been shafted There has been no investment in the stadium and their recruitment has been dire. Personally I can think of at least 10 clubs who l would rather see in trouble
Well, no-one comes close to C*****a for obnoxiousness, but I'm 63 and Man Utd have been entitled w*nkers for my entire life.
In the pre-Fergie years they were still up themselves even though before they won the title in 1993 the last Manchester club to do it had been Allison's City in '68. They were perennial members of the "Big 5" clubs and always mentioned in any proposed "super league" breaking away from the Football League which eventually gave us the Premier League and all the sh*t that goes with it, including the dire financial position which clubs like QPR find themselves in.
That "most professional club professional organisation in the world" was about flogging merch to kids in say Oxford or Wycombe or Aldershot and making sure those same kids would never ever support their own local club, and flogging crappy shirts made in Far Eastern sweat shops to Far Eastern kids. The money generated was used to outbid other clubs for players, with laughable lack of success all through the 70s and 80s, hence the absolute outrage among United fans when skanky little Blackburn Rovers dared to outbid them for Alan Shearer and went on to win the title. It's also why so many other clubs find themselves only too happy to be taken over by some of the most shady individuals in the world (including ourselves back in the Briatore/Ecclestone days) - because United pioneered making football all about money and the only way to compete is to get a pile of it yourself.
Apart from The Scum the only other English clubs to come near to United in this sorry tale are Liverpool and more recently Citeh (though bloody Spurs would have done it if they weren't so laughably bad at it.)
Also: Eric Cantona in the 9 millionth minute of Fergie time.
F*ck 'em. Absolutely f*ck 'em into the sea. I hope they go down (and Man City can p*ss off too for their crimes) and if we go up above them by whatever means I'll laugh my head off.
They are a club that I've detested since my first recollection of watching football (1957 FA Cup final) & I will now get on my hobby horse - Manure in the 1950's!
All you hear from anyone is about the "Busby Babes" & they completely ignore how the club went from obscurity to "the biggest club in the world" (Real Madrid might have had some say in that). Of course, the reason why was money! Starting with the purchase of Reg Allen in 1948 for a world record transfer fee for a goalkeeper, they subsequently paid record fees for at least 2 more - Tommy Taylor & Denis Law (early 1960's) & I suspect there were others that have slipped my memory.
Then there was the youth academy. This was created in the same way that the top clubs have operated ever since they launched the prototype (very successfully). Far be it for me to state that rules were broken, but I've often wondered why Duncan Edwards & Robert Charlton joined them rather than their local clubs, especially as I think the rules on signing young players from outside the local area were far stricter at that time.
- Edwards lived a short walk away from Molyneux & Wolves happened to be the top club in the country at the time.
- Charlton wasn't just from a Newcastle supporting family, his uncle was regarded as their best ever player (fans older than my tender years possibly still regard him as such).
Personally, I was very pleased when Peter McParland (Villa) & Nat Lofthouse (Bolton) scored twice against them to defeat them in the '57 & '58 finals. Looking back, I don't think that I had realised how they had been decimated by Munich as I was one of the very few outside of Bolton that wanting a Wanderers win.
I have mellowed towards them since & only have them as equal 90th of despised Premier & EFL clubs!
Badly run club as we know throwing money at average overrated players does not bring you success. Hope they go down like West Ham entitled club with some expectation of success . Worked with several Man U fans for a few years insufferable arrogance …am sure they are not all like that. Football has changed look at so called small teams achieving success…Bournemouth Brentford Brighton Even palace …just need us to join them even for a few seasons…having said that the premier league is overrated .
Their intimidation of referees through the Ferguson era, and some of the outrageous decisions they were awarded as a result, was an absolute shame on the sport in this country for more than a decade. Fck them.
Their intimidation of referees through the Ferguson era, and some of the outrageous decisions they were awarded as a result, was an absolute shame on the sport in this country for more than a decade. Fck them.
Agreed, I was going to say Fergie Time was cheating with good marketing but cheating all the same. Ashley Young was cheating, somewhat farcical by that point but cheating still. So no sympathy here.
As I just said to my Man Utd mate though (from north Yorkshire, so - not Manchester but not Surrey at least) - pulled it back at the death to be third from bottom as opposed second, all a far cry from late goals to win the champion's league!
Manchester United on 09:29 - Nov 9 by essextaxiboy
I think you need to go back to the Matt Busby years to find where the widespread support was built on. He built a team of young players , got them into Europe saw them wiped out in a plahe crash and built them back up to win the European Cup with Best,Law and Charlton Sky TV was the driver of monetising the game ,we were a founding member club of course Blackburns success was down to one rich man bankrolling a title bid ,the club had no real wealth of its own . Ax for far Eastern sweat shops they are not licenced but counterfeiters who make what they can sell most of . By commercial operation I mean sponsorships and endorsements , I have some knowledge of the diligence and preparation they would go to , they used to turn down many company's who want their brand association . On Cantona totally agree of course
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Well yes my 83 year old mum supports Man U because of Munich, and I expect there are quite a few more like her too of that age, who probably didn't have a huge interest in football. (As an aside it's worth reading the David Peace novel Munichs which covers the event and its aftermath really well).
Mind you she did once stay at the same hotel as Chelscum a few years ago, got Mourinho's autograph and then asked him "who are you?" So she's alright really
Agreed, I was going to say Fergie Time was cheating with good marketing but cheating all the same. Ashley Young was cheating, somewhat farcical by that point but cheating still. So no sympathy here.
Not having that about Fergie time. Scholes said that they specifically trained to deal with scoring in less than two minutes. Just good coaching and players that bought into his methods.
As for intimidating the referee, Arsenal were just as bad, but seemed to be given a free pass. I dislike Arsenal more.
Not having that about Fergie time. Scholes said that they specifically trained to deal with scoring in less than two minutes. Just good coaching and players that bought into his methods.
As for intimidating the referee, Arsenal were just as bad, but seemed to be given a free pass. I dislike Arsenal more.
and friendly referees who just kept giving them 2 minutes, then an extra 2 minutes, then if needed a further 2 minutes...
Fergie admitted that he used to try to influence referees and also manipulated the press by boycotting them if their coverage wasn't favorable. All designed to give them an edge in an era where they already had the advantage of being the biggest club in the country.
Horrible, nasty club with entitled fans who are fine if they're winning, but if they lose three in a row start getting the green and yellow scarves out. They soon disappear when a cup is won, mind. I was thinking yesterday - back in the 90s we used to sing 'we support our local team' because of the vast swathes of Cockney and Essex reds absolutely everywhere giving it the big one all the time. The atmosphere used to be febrile in the mid 90s because of it. But United didn't care, and neither did their fans. But the chickens have come home to roost now for the club and their fans. It's not a club anymore. It's a debt ridden shell run into the ground by the Americans who must be absolutely delighted that nasty halfwit Ratcliffe has turned up to do even worse than them and - into the bargain - give them a ton of money to take all the blame for it! And what is their ground now but a tourist attraction? Yes there are boos and angry chants and green and yellow flags - but there are still people there who've come to take pictures of their remaining star players (arguably, only one of them left now, and he will be desperate to leave) and spend all their money in their superstore. I despise them more than City. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than to see them go down, although obviously I'd be sad for all the minimum wage staff Ratcliffe will then sack to help pay for his own total, arrogant, idiotic incompetence.
Their intimidation of referees through the Ferguson era, and some of the outrageous decisions they were awarded as a result, was an absolute shame on the sport in this country for more than a decade. Fck them.
Can't stand Arsenal, but they were routinely robbed by the referees against Man Utd when they were the best two teams in the 2000s. This display from Mike Riley to allow Man Utd to just continually assault Arsenal players and then give a dodgy penalty was typical
Ferguson also essentially banned David Ellery from refereeing their matches after he he sent Roy Keane off a few times for being a thug.
I think you need to go back to the Matt Busby years to find where the widespread support was built on. He built a team of young players , got them into Europe saw them wiped out in a plahe crash and built them back up to win the European Cup with Best,Law and Charlton.
Yup. I was nine when the Munich disaster happened. Their following success was built on a foundation of massive public grief and sympathy, which lasted well beyond the Busby and Charlton years. For those of my age, and older, it made them hard to dislike even if you didn't actively support them.
Can't stand Arsenal, but they were routinely robbed by the referees against Man Utd when they were the best two teams in the 2000s. This display from Mike Riley to allow Man Utd to just continually assault Arsenal players and then give a dodgy penalty was typical
Ferguson also essentially banned David Ellery from refereeing their matches after he he sent Roy Keane off a few times for being a thug.
A very dedicated/lunatic/hillarious United fan shows up on my You Tube feed and also on Tic Toc so watching him melt down completes my joy at them losing. So very surprisingly he was on there today openly admitting the Utd keeper fouled the Villa keeper for the last second equalizer by simply barging into him making no effort for the ball and it should have been dissallowed ( picture Rice or Gabriel every week basically). There was simply no way in this universe VAR was getting that goal chalked off it simply meant too much around the Globe IMO. Speaking of the clusterfu*k that is VAR did anybody see the tackle on the Spurs player by the Leeds guy early Saturday . The clearest red card in history but not even a yellow card issued I throw in the towel
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