| England manager 20:10 - Jul 27 with 3426 views | digswellhoop |
im watching Bobby Robson on sky
who's your best england manager not including alf ramsay |  | | |  |
| England manager on 20:15 - Jul 27 with 2873 views | numptydumpty |
Bobby Robson was recognised as decent after the event.
During his reign, all he got was pelters.
Similar I will say as to how Southgate will be remembered in years ahead.
During my time, there has been three managers all who could quite easily have been brilliant but for a variety of reasons, all three had very short tenures...
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| England manager on 20:18 - Jul 27 with 2867 views | TomS |
Big Sam. His 100% record will never be beaten. Who knows where he could have taken English football had he not been so cruelly removed from his job. |  | | |
| England manager on 20:21 - Jul 27 with 2859 views | digswellhoop |
keegan not in the same class | | | |
| England manager on 20:40 - Jul 27 with 2800 views | LordPork |
well, for a brief, and I mean very brief, moment in history, Joe Mercer was England manager whilst they sought a replacement as I recall for Sir Alf.
Suddenly a team/squad that had had all the pleasure and fun squeezed out of it by modern coaching techniques, and released from the usual managerial responsibility to win whatever the cost, they played well
I've not looked it up, but probably only 3 or 4 games but from the turgid stuff we'd been given previously it was truly a different team.
For clarity, imagine a Ray Harford 11 but 10x worse
but Mercer was a cheery chappie with nothing to lose and for those few games - well who knows were he to have been given the job. Politics and age got in the way, shame, what might have been. [Post edited 27 Jul 2023 20:41]
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| England manager on 21:01 - Jul 27 with 2766 views | Northernr |
| England manager on 20:15 - Jul 27 by numptydumpty |
Bobby Robson was recognised as decent after the event.
During his reign, all he got was pelters.
Similar I will say as to how Southgate will be remembered in years ahead.
During my time, there has been three managers all who could quite easily have been brilliant but for a variety of reasons, all three had very short tenures...
KEVIN KEEGAN
TERRY VENABLES
GLENN HODDLE |
I came on here to say this. If you read One Night in Turin on Italia 90 written at the time Robson is seen as a dinosaur, resisting modern formations, coaxed into a switch to a sweeper system only eventually by his players.
Similarly my recollection of Venables time up to the Holland game in 96 was that he was sticking with favourites, big club players and lots and lots of Spurs players to the detriment of the team. He was getting grief for not involving Le Tissier more and for sticking with Shearer through a long scoreless period.
Both are now revered, and those tournaments two of the best in our recent times. |  | | |
| England manager on 21:17 - Jul 27 with 2704 views | Rs_Holy |
Terry Vegetables for me. |  | | |
| England manager on 21:27 - Jul 27 with 2691 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
All England managers seem to have this fear of playing flair players. Even Venables had Ince and Batty in the centre, which is surprising when you look at his club career.
I'd still say Venables though.
I reckon Southgate will be looked at fondly when he moves on. | | | |
| England manager on 22:40 - Jul 27 with 2603 views | GaryBannister86 |
| England manager on 21:01 - Jul 27 by Northernr |
I came on here to say this. If you read One Night in Turin on Italia 90 written at the time Robson is seen as a dinosaur, resisting modern formations, coaxed into a switch to a sweeper system only eventually by his players.
Similarly my recollection of Venables time up to the Holland game in 96 was that he was sticking with favourites, big club players and lots and lots of Spurs players to the detriment of the team. He was getting grief for not involving Le Tissier more and for sticking with Shearer through a long scoreless period.
Both are now revered, and those tournaments two of the best in our recent times. |
I contradict myself because I always get irritated when Southgate's frankly superb achievements get pulled apart (we were lucky against xx, it was only xx we beat, we were at home, etc), but Robson in my view was an incredibly overrated England manager. We were turgid for nearly all his reign and even dire in Italia 90 against N Ireland, Egypt, lucky against Cameroon that Lineker rid himself of his halo....yes we were brilliant in the semis and very unlucky to lose but I don't understand how basically two wins and a Platt volley turned Robson into an international managerial genius.
And he was villified throughout all his reign. Southgate should take great joy in the turn around in the feeling towards Robson, as in my view Southgate has achieved so much more. And we will miss him hugely when he goes. [Post edited 27 Jul 2023 22:41]
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| England manager on 22:46 - Jul 27 with 2580 views | colinallcars |
I reckon that Winter Walterbottom was fairly good meself.. |  | | |
| England manager on 23:12 - Jul 27 with 2533 views | PeterHucker |
Ramsey was before my time but he won a trophy, so that probably makes him the best.
After that the most successful is probably Southgate.
England under Southgate is the first manager in a long time where the team are greater than the sum of their parts. Lots of players who are just as good or even better in an England shirt as they are in the club colours. Players are keen to be part of the squad. That hasn’t happened for a long time.
Hoddle very overrated as an England manager, should’ve achieved a lot more given the calibre of players he had at his disposal, ditto Keegan & Ericsson. |  | | |
| England manager on 00:29 - Jul 28 with 2465 views | SydneyRs |
Robson was so lucky at Italia 90. Anyone remember England at Euro 88? As mentioned forced into using the sweeper system. Pretty awful group stage, lucky wins v Belgium and Cameroon in the knockouts and ironically producing their best performance in losing the semi final.
Venables for me. Could have done great things but for 'circumstances'. | | | |
| England manager on 05:57 - Jul 28 with 2377 views | JamesB1979 |
So difficult to judge as there’s some vast differences in talent available. Compare who poor old Graham Taylor had to pick from compared to the current squad and Ericsson. Robson I seem to remember stumbled into the best side and formation with sending of of Wilkins in 86. We were also terrible in 1988 Euros. Having said that pinnacle for me is the World Cup and especially doing it away from
Home. So quarter final and semi final in 86 and 90 means it has to be Robson. Venables and Robson had pretty average squads and made the best of them that they could. | | | |
| England manager on 10:58 - Jul 28 with 2235 views | Northernr |
| England manager on 05:57 - Jul 28 by JamesB1979 |
So difficult to judge as there’s some vast differences in talent available. Compare who poor old Graham Taylor had to pick from compared to the current squad and Ericsson. Robson I seem to remember stumbled into the best side and formation with sending of of Wilkins in 86. We were also terrible in 1988 Euros. Having said that pinnacle for me is the World Cup and especially doing it away from
Home. So quarter final and semi final in 86 and 90 means it has to be Robson. Venables and Robson had pretty average squads and made the best of them that they could. |
It's interesting how strength in positions has ebbed and flowed over some of these reigns as well.
Ericsson had an absolute embarrassment of genuinely class centre backs. Some of the players who didn't get capped there at the time would have been first choice in other reigns.
Similarly, at the end of the 90s, it was Shearer and Sheringham, and then Owen came on the scene. But you had Ferdinand, Wright, Cole, Sutton, Fowler, Collymore, Le Tissier, even bloody Dean Holdsworth and Dion Dublin all scoring well into double figures in the Premier League at that time. These days it's Kane and... Rashford? | | | |
| England manager on 11:11 - Jul 28 with 2205 views | Snipper |
| England manager on 00:29 - Jul 28 by SydneyRs |
Robson was so lucky at Italia 90. Anyone remember England at Euro 88? As mentioned forced into using the sweeper system. Pretty awful group stage, lucky wins v Belgium and Cameroon in the knockouts and ironically producing their best performance in losing the semi final.
Venables for me. Could have done great things but for 'circumstances'. |
I love Venables for what he did for QPR. Getting us to our only FA Cup final, winning Division Two by 10 points and finishing 5th in Division One.
But regarding England, he was the right man at the wrong time.
He moulded a team to challenge in Euro96, but he didn’t have the strength in depth to actually win it.
Apart from that superb performance vs Netherlands and a good performance vs Germany in the semis, England weren’t pulling up any trees.
We were pretty turgid in our opening game vs Switzerland. And we were a missed Scottish penalty away from another turgid display. Without that penalty miss, Gazza wouldn’t have scored his goal.
We were lucky in the quarterfinals vs Spain, who had two good goals disallowed for offside.
If Venables had the squad Southgate had at the last World Cup, we would’ve been world and European champions in his tenure.
As for Hoddle, he should’ve been a great England manager. His problem is that he was a bit mad.
One of the best English players around at that time was Ray Parlour, but Hoddle omitted him because Parlour laughed about Eileen Drury. He held grudges, and that was his undoing along with his views about disabled people.
Graham Taylor’s England tenure summed up with one player, Carlton Palmer.
Great club manager, but absolutely shìte as England manager. |  | | |
| England manager on 12:10 - Jul 28 with 2144 views | guitarzan |
Terry Venables | | | |
| England manager on 12:48 - Jul 28 with 2108 views | BAWHoops |
It's Southgate and it's not even close.
He was Marcus Rashford's penalty going the wrong side of the post from winning the Euro's. Also took a deeply average squad to a semi final of a World Cup and lost a ridiculously tight game to France in the QF's
He's completely changed the way England play and operate from the top to the bottom. He's also proved to be right time and time again when it comes to player selection and squad make up.
Even the Maguire thing, he's laid the gauntlet down to other defenders and they've all shat the bed whenever they've had a big game (Tomori in the CL and Guehi v Hungary). Colwill has been earmarked for the LCB slot for a hell of a long time.
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| England manager on 12:55 - Jul 28 with 2076 views | Rs_Holy |
| England manager on 11:11 - Jul 28 by Snipper |
I love Venables for what he did for QPR. Getting us to our only FA Cup final, winning Division Two by 10 points and finishing 5th in Division One.
But regarding England, he was the right man at the wrong time.
He moulded a team to challenge in Euro96, but he didn’t have the strength in depth to actually win it.
Apart from that superb performance vs Netherlands and a good performance vs Germany in the semis, England weren’t pulling up any trees.
We were pretty turgid in our opening game vs Switzerland. And we were a missed Scottish penalty away from another turgid display. Without that penalty miss, Gazza wouldn’t have scored his goal.
We were lucky in the quarterfinals vs Spain, who had two good goals disallowed for offside.
If Venables had the squad Southgate had at the last World Cup, we would’ve been world and European champions in his tenure.
As for Hoddle, he should’ve been a great England manager. His problem is that he was a bit mad.
One of the best English players around at that time was Ray Parlour, but Hoddle omitted him because Parlour laughed about Eileen Drury. He held grudges, and that was his undoing along with his views about disabled people.
Graham Taylor’s England tenure summed up with one player, Carlton Palmer.
Great club manager, but absolutely shìte as England manager. |
'He moulded a team to challenge in Euro96, but he didn’t have the strength in depth to actually win it.'
don't agree with that. We should have beaten Germany in the semi and were stronger than them in extra time... Gazza and Anderton going so close ... more heartache. | | | |
| England manager on 13:01 - Jul 28 with 2051 views | themodfather |
for me, i was one month old in june 66 , it is RON GREENWOOD, That 1982 world cup in spain, we came home unbeaten in 5 games, beat france 3-1 in the opener, destroyed them really they had platini and co and got to the semi's . cos of the format the 2nd rd was a quarter and a mini group of 3 , we drew our games both 0-0 and went out on a goal, ffs.
we had a great kit, great world cup song .
then VENABLES pot some belief back in and that famous win over Jockland will live for years and the gazza wonder goal.
then southagte for gain giving us belief, sodding off the old guard and giving the kids a chance and now we have competition for places and in depth . | | | |
| England manager on 13:02 - Jul 28 with 2048 views | BrianMcCarthy |
I always think that Robson deserved credit for listening to his players. Most managers back then would have given the old "my way or the highway" routine. I loved watching England in 1990, and he deserves some of the credit. |  |
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| England manager on 13:06 - Jul 28 with 2037 views | traininvain |
| England manager on 10:58 - Jul 28 by Northernr |
It's interesting how strength in positions has ebbed and flowed over some of these reigns as well.
Ericsson had an absolute embarrassment of genuinely class centre backs. Some of the players who didn't get capped there at the time would have been first choice in other reigns.
Similarly, at the end of the 90s, it was Shearer and Sheringham, and then Owen came on the scene. But you had Ferdinand, Wright, Cole, Sutton, Fowler, Collymore, Le Tissier, even bloody Dean Holdsworth and Dion Dublin all scoring well into double figures in the Premier League at that time. These days it's Kane and... Rashford? |
Could do with some of those centre back options today. Southgate’s biggest problem is we’re not good enough defensively so he has to overcompensate with a more defensive midfield. Maybe that’ll change if Colwill can break through this season. |  | | |
| England manager on 14:04 - Jul 28 with 1982 views | Paddyhoops |
On a results basis. It’s got to be Southgate . A bad penalty or two away from a major tournament win .
Robson was a nice bloke but they weren’t great until that performance against Germany.
Venables was very decent but his face didn’t seem to fit with the FA.
Cloughie would have been the best but the Fa wanted yes men back them so sadly for England never happened. | | | |
| England manager on 22:17 - Jul 28 with 1856 views | JamesB1979 |
| England manager on 10:58 - Jul 28 by Northernr |
It's interesting how strength in positions has ebbed and flowed over some of these reigns as well.
Ericsson had an absolute embarrassment of genuinely class centre backs. Some of the players who didn't get capped there at the time would have been first choice in other reigns.
Similarly, at the end of the 90s, it was Shearer and Sheringham, and then Owen came on the scene. But you had Ferdinand, Wright, Cole, Sutton, Fowler, Collymore, Le Tissier, even bloody Dean Holdsworth and Dion Dublin all scoring well into double figures in the Premier League at that time. These days it's Kane and... Rashford? |
True but you, in our current system, can only play 1 “Kane”. Behind him or to the side you have Saka, Foden, Grealish, Rashford…….sterling…..I think that is pretty strong to say the least. In the midfield Rice and then Bellingham. I think Bellingham will be the greatest England player I will see in my lifetime. In defence you’ve got Stones and Walker, the only defender who can keep the best Brazilian player quiet.
Also remember Ericsson getting criticised for sticking with Rio and Sol Campbell. He stuck with them and They we’re probably best in the world as a pair. | | | |
| England manager on 00:07 - Jul 29 with 1804 views | Northernr |
| England manager on 22:17 - Jul 28 by JamesB1979 |
True but you, in our current system, can only play 1 “Kane”. Behind him or to the side you have Saka, Foden, Grealish, Rashford…….sterling…..I think that is pretty strong to say the least. In the midfield Rice and then Bellingham. I think Bellingham will be the greatest England player I will see in my lifetime. In defence you’ve got Stones and Walker, the only defender who can keep the best Brazilian player quiet.
Also remember Ericsson getting criticised for sticking with Rio and Sol Campbell. He stuck with them and They we’re probably best in the world as a pair. |
Yeh I agree mate, on all of that. Bellingham. Walker. Southgate gets stick but he knows it too.
Shows the developing, undulating trends in football formations, styles and coaching as well like I say. Because if Terry Venables had wanted to play a 4-2-3-1 in 1996, and select just one of those strikers (presumably Shearer), then how many 'tens' did we have? Sheringham could have done it, Le Tissier definitely, Gazza maybe. And then? Now, everybody wants to be a 'ten'. Same problem at QPR for last few years, everybody we bring through wants to be a 'ten'. There is an absolute tidal wave of 'tens', but players capable of playing centre forward? They're few and far between, because every team plays one striker now.
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| England manager on 00:08 - Jul 29 with 1798 views | numptydumpty |
Won't be a foreign older manager a la Sven or Fabio next time.
Although just imagine Guardiola in charge. Yes please !!
Definitely go with that but more likely to be someone like Eddie Howe next time but could not see him leaving Newcastle for the England job. [Post edited 29 Jul 2023 0:09]
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| England manager on 03:53 - Jul 29 with 1748 views | rbee |
Probably Terry Venables as most others were a little cautious including Sir Bobby I think. [Post edited 29 Jul 2023 3:55]
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