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Player points per game 10:54 - May 8 with 3650 views

Stats work when they fit your narrative..

That seems really telling to me.
Even if Gray did end up as top scorer, did he work out?

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Player points per game on 11:15 - May 8 with 2875 views

LythamR

I see that as something of a nonsense, too many other factors

Those stats might make sense if taken over a much longer period/number of performances

for example how many games did Sanderson and Hendrick play when Willock and Dieng started games

awful lot of briefing and spin going on, history. particularly recent history is generally written by the victors

Player points per game on 11:31 - May 8 with 2848 views

Spaghetti_Hoops

Minutes per goal is an accepted measure of the most important part of a striker's job.

Gray - 10 goals - 140 mins/goal
Dykes - 9 goals - 305 mins/goal
Austin - 7 goals - 260 mins/goal

Chair - 9 - 384
Willock - 7 - 432
Amos - 6 - 259

(Source - BBC)

Arguably if Gray had been our number one striker and Dykes had spent the season warming the bench we would have scored plenty more goals and now be in the playoffs.
Moneyball.

Player points per game on 11:32 - May 8 with 2843 views

CamberleyR

Six of Gray's goals earned the team an extra 11 points so I think those stats are a tad misleading.

Reading 1 pt extra
Cardiff 2 pts
Derby 2 pts
Coventry 2 pts
Luton 2 pts
Swansea 2 pts

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Player points per game on 12:25 - May 8 with 2762 views

LazyFan

Player points per game on 11:31 - May 8 by Spaghetti_Hoops

You should include assists as that is a proper look at goals.

If a player scores zero goals but gets you 40 assists a season then that player is world-class.

I suspect if that is included, Chair and Willock are much higher. And now the stats begin to make sense.

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Player points per game on 12:38 - May 8 with 2732 views

Spaghetti_Hoops

Player points per game on 12:25 - May 8 by LazyFan
You should include assists as that is a proper look at goals. If a player scores zero goals but gets you 40 assists a season then that player is world-class. I suspect if that is included, Chair and Willock are much higher. And now the stats begin to make sense.

Nobody gets an assist if the striker can't be in the right place and put it in the net.

Player points per game on 13:29 - May 8 with 2643 views

Ned_Kennedys

Player points per game on 11:31 - May 8 by Spaghetti_Hoops

I’d definitely have Gray back next season if the financials were right: natural goalscorer and done well for us IMO.

Player points per game on 13:31 - May 8 with 2640 views

terryb

Player points per game on 12:38 - May 8 by Spaghetti_Hoops
Nobody gets an assist if the striker can't be in the right place and put it in the net.

And the striker doesn't get a goal unless someone has put the ball in the right place for him!

Player points per game on 13:56 - May 8 with 2597 views

Boston

Player points per game on 13:31 - May 8 by terryb
And the striker doesn't get a goal unless someone has put the ball in the right place for him!

What if the person who owns the ball goes home?

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Player points per game on 13:57 - May 8 with 2592 views

Boston

...and, how about dividing those player points equations by salary?

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Player points per game on 13:59 - May 8 with 2591 views

distortR

Player points per game on 13:56 - May 8 by Boston
What if the person who owns the ball goes home?

Or the big boy who doesn't own the ball takes it anyway?

Player points per game on 14:05 - May 8 with 2578 views

benhurst

I know this is very harsh, but shouldn't Mahoney be at the top (bottom?) of that list with 0?

Player points per game on 14:06 - May 8 with 2571 views

CamberleyR

Player points per game on 14:05 - May 8 by benhurst
I know this is very harsh, but shouldn't Mahoney be at the top (bottom?) of that list with 0?

Minimum five games.

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Player points per game on 14:32 - May 8 with 2562 views

benhurst

Player points per game on 14:06 - May 8 by CamberleyR
Minimum five games.

I am blind, thank you!

Player points per game on 16:06 - May 8 with 2472 views

R_from_afar

Honest question: Was Westwood at fault for any goals?

I can't remember any but then perhaps I haven't been paying attention.

"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."

Player points per game on 16:45 - May 8 with 2435 views

Spaghetti_Hoops

Player points per game on 13:31 - May 8 by terryb
And the striker doesn't get a goal unless someone has put the ball in the right place for him!

Yes, of course. But this thread was about Andre Gray.

Player points per game on 17:47 - May 8 with 2392 views

Rangersw12

I still maintain if Seny hadn't of got injured we would of made the play offs

[Post edited 8 May 2022 19:05]

Player points per game on 18:30 - May 8 with 2345 views

terryb

Player points per game on 16:45 - May 8 by Spaghetti_Hoops
Yes, of course. But this thread was about Andre Gray.

Actually, it wasn't!

It was about points per game when people played. It was you that tried to turn it into a Andre Gray thread.

BTW, I think his goals per minute ratio is good.

Player points per game on 18:48 - May 8 with 2312 views

daveB

I don't think it's a huge shock to see players who were only here for the second half of the season have a lower points per game average than some who played more in the first half of the season, It's interesting to see, at one point Wallace and Adomah were on 2 points per game which was superb

Player points per game on 18:55 - May 8 with 2294 views

davman

Player points per game on 18:48 - May 8 by daveB
I don't think it's a huge shock to see players who were only here for the second half of the season have a lower points per game average than some who played more in the first half of the season, It's interesting to see, at one point Wallace and Adomah were on 2 points per game which was superb

Two out of the five of them have been here all season and one was inexplicably voted Young Player of the Season even though he's not ours!

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Player points per game on 19:12 - May 8 with 2268 views

derbyhoop

Player points per game on 13:29 - May 8 by Ned_Kennedys
I’d definitely have Gray back next season if the financials were right: natural goalscorer and done well for us IMO.

Amen to that.
Lazy as fck, but scores goals. Regularly.
Out of contract at Watford but there will be plenty offering more than we can

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Player points per game on 21:35 - May 8 with 2197 views

Antti_Heinola

Player points per game on 19:12 - May 8 by derbyhoop
Amen to that. Lazy as fck, but scores goals. Regularly. Out of contract at Watford but there will be plenty offering more than we can

Will there?
Unfit for the entire, can't press, flounces about when doesn't get a pass.
Very much doubt there'll be a queue offering him big bucks.
Good sub, but almost every game i saw him start he was anonymous.

Bare bones.

Player points per game on 22:05 - May 8 with 2162 views

Dorse

Player points per game on 17:47 - May 8 by Rangersw12
I still maintain if Seny hadn't of got injured we would of made the play offs [Post edited 8 May 2022 19:05]

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Player points per game on 00:57 - May 9 with 2072 views

Spaghetti_Hoops

Player points per game on 18:30 - May 8 by terryb
Actually, it wasn't! It was about points per game when people played. It was you that tried to turn it into a Andre Gray thread. BTW, I think his goals per minute ratio is good.

Oh I see now.
When the OP poses the question "Even if Gray did end up as top scorer, did he work out?" he didn't mean anyone to mention Gray or come up with better ways of measuring his contribution than points per game.
Fair enough.

Player points per game on 05:16 - May 9 with 2017 views

nix

Player points per game on 21:35 - May 8 by Antti_Heinola
Will there? Unfit for the entire, can't press, flounces about when doesn't get a pass. Very much doubt there'll be a queue offering him big bucks. Good sub, but almost every game i saw him start he was anonymous.

All this. I can't say I blame Warbs for not playing him more often/for whole matches. He really couldn't because he was a liability apart from the goals. We always looked like we were playing with ten men when he was playing.

Player points per game on 07:27 - May 9 with 1925 views

distortR

Player points per game on 16:06 - May 8 by R_from_afar
Honest question: Was Westwood at fault for any goals? I can't remember any but then perhaps I haven't been paying attention.

no, but he and the other keepers at the club 'invite' more pressure then Dieng simply by the fact that they don't control the area as well as the latter does. Derby were dropping balls on the edge of the 6 yard box - that doesn't happen if Dieng is there.

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