| The Irebougnam conundrum 19:45 - Jan 22 with 5785 views | mart_Goblin |
Firstly I recognise that Tim will be one hell of a player and I know he is still learning so this ain’t me digging him out . I only saw highlights of yesterday so he may well have been amazing , but once again he loses his runner and we concede . If you look back at goals conceded this season , even as far back as Birmingham away he is culpable of losing runners , not reacting quick enough or simply not getting his foot in. There are loads of them.
Now with Stefan on the way back should we now consider moving Tim up the pitch as he is much more effective there anyway . Of course it raises other questions but unfortunately he is a bit of a liability in our defensive third…but running at people looks a real player . Just food for thought |  | | |  |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 20:17 - Jan 22 with 4367 views | HAYESBOY |
To be fair we should have switched to a 3 in the middle when they went to wing backs. He was overloaded on the right with Manning playing higher up.
Also the front 3/4 for the last 10 mins had run out of steam and were not pressing as a unit so much.
Alternative is to play with a 3 in the middle and only 2 No 10's. A conundrum. |  |
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| The Irebougnam conundrum on 20:29 - Jan 22 with 4316 views | CateLeBonR |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 20:17 - Jan 22 by HAYESBOY |
To be fair we should have switched to a 3 in the middle when they went to wing backs. He was overloaded on the right with Manning playing higher up.
Also the front 3/4 for the last 10 mins had run out of steam and were not pressing as a unit so much.
Alternative is to play with a 3 in the middle and only 2 No 10's. A conundrum. |
Yeah I thought that lad Cundle (number 18) made a big impact for sub for them. He got the assist.
I think Paal is meant to be good in that position but who would play that high position Manning took up second half for them? We've got no-one who can do that. |  | | |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 20:43 - Jan 22 with 4226 views | dmm |
Iroegbunam is going to be an amazing player. So we keep being told. Well he might be, and good for him if that's how it turns out to be, but he really will have to cut out the serious errors he makes in most games.
We are being used to help his development which is fine up to a point. But as he continually messes up, I'd drop him to the bench and have Johansen and Field in the two asap. |  | | |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 21:47 - Jan 22 with 4045 views | Rangersw12 |
I would like to see Richards have a run of games and if it means dropping Tim then so be it |  | | |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 21:52 - Jan 22 with 4033 views | Logman |
I thought Tim played well yesterday and I am not sure that I would blame him single handedly for the goal as it had its making on the right side where we should have done better. I wouldn't drop him for Johanssen or Richards. He's a little bit of a wild card but he can be unstoppable at moments and such moments can win us games. | | | |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 22:43 - Jan 22 with 3900 views | golborne |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 21:52 - Jan 22 by Logman |
I thought Tim played well yesterday and I am not sure that I would blame him single handedly for the goal as it had its making on the right side where we should have done better. I wouldn't drop him for Johanssen or Richards. He's a little bit of a wild card but he can be unstoppable at moments and such moments can win us games. |
Based on goals and assists, or what? Happy to hear the , or what.
He’s got a lot of talent and I really like him, but he pisses about with it in dangerous areas far too often. There’s a time and a place, and he isn’t learning that. If he were our player, he’d be booted back into the b team to have a think about his decisions, whilst warming the bench. Tell me he isn’t a must play to fulfill the loan arrangement. Get past Jan 31 and we’ll see… | | | |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 22:52 - Jan 22 with 3892 views | QPROslo |
Great player to watch on the ball. Thought he was excellent yesterday for 70 minutes or so from when he looked knackered. | | | |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 23:09 - Jan 22 with 3865 views | QPunkR |
Glad this is being discussed, I got the feeling we’re not allowed to question his input from other threads. I genuinely don’t see what many others seem to with this guy. Has multiple rickets in him every single match and routinely loses the ability to pass to players wearing the same colour shirt as him. As with yesterday switching off and losing his runner for the goal, that also happens far too often for someone who we’re repeatedly assured is in the team for his legs |  |
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| The Irebougnam conundrum on 23:49 - Jan 22 with 3822 views | numptydumpty |
First half I thought it was best he played since Beale was with us
Bustling runs and full on tackles securing possession.
I said to friend I thought Johansen could have come on in a three at 70 minutes or replacing Tim himself.
Think people are forgetting he is only still 19.
Compare how many starts Armstrong has had, one I believe.
Anyhow mistakes will be made at such a young age but to be fair the positives he brings greatly outweigh the negatives by a long way. |  |
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| The Irebougnam conundrum on 01:02 - Jan 23 with 3750 views | dixiedean |
I had contemplated a thread on similar lines . He wouldn’t be in my starting 11. If we’re lucky he’ll make one of those surging runs per game but so far even those have not produced much end product and don’t make up for his defensive weakness ( apathy?) Hard to know from the outside but I’m not convinced he’s keen to be here and I’m not sure he’s what we need in our midfield right now. We need a knarled centre mid about 28/29 who’s been round the block and who can get stuck in and get around the pitch . Maybe such a player is beyond our means, but I think that is what we need right now , and Tim isn’t it . | | | |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 01:37 - Jan 23 with 3721 views | VancouverHoop |
He's excellent going forward (or can be). And pretty hopeless facing his own goal. Maybe he's just more of an attacking player than a mid? Or perhaps he's just a late learner defensively. Long term it's not our problem. Short-term, play to his strengths. Try at him #10 for half a game and see what happens. | | | |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 07:21 - Jan 23 with 3605 views | 1JD |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 23:49 - Jan 22 by numptydumpty |
First half I thought it was best he played since Beale was with us
Bustling runs and full on tackles securing possession.
I said to friend I thought Johansen could have come on in a three at 70 minutes or replacing Tim himself.
Think people are forgetting he is only still 19.
Compare how many starts Armstrong has had, one I believe.
Anyhow mistakes will be made at such a young age but to be fair the positives he brings greatly outweigh the negatives by a long way. |
Do the positives outweigh the negatives really? Not for me. He’s meant to be a defensive centre midfielder, but frequently loses runners which has ended up with several goals against. He has cost us. His main contribution to the side, despite he himself saying he likes to make tackles and work hard, is forward running. But his end product is poor. Doesn’t find the right pass despite dribbling round 2 or 3. And no goals or assists in 20 champ appearances. Not sure what kind of CM he is meant to be.
That said, he was much much better Saturday, making a series of good tackles, and working hard, but he was spent after 65-70 minutes as a result. If he plays like that regularly I’ll change my mind on him. But it’s the first I’ve seen of him having a bit of bite and work rate. Not sure Johansen is the answer either from a defensive point or view, under Warburton with him and Field as a CM two, we were wide open. Far superior on the ball than Tim, but like Tim also frequently loses runners and lacks the defensive side to his game. | | | |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 08:04 - Jan 23 with 3541 views | Northolt_Rs |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 23:49 - Jan 22 by numptydumpty |
First half I thought it was best he played since Beale was with us
Bustling runs and full on tackles securing possession.
I said to friend I thought Johansen could have come on in a three at 70 minutes or replacing Tim himself.
Think people are forgetting he is only still 19.
Compare how many starts Armstrong has had, one I believe.
Anyhow mistakes will be made at such a young age but to be fair the positives he brings greatly outweigh the negatives by a long way. |
Except one of his big negatives - losing his man when the opposition is in a dangerous position - resulted in their goal on Saturday. I don’t see what he brings to our side at all. |  |
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| The Irebougnam conundrum on 08:34 - Jan 23 with 3449 views | BklynRanger |
If I was Dozzell I'd be fuming - he must be able to point to so many of these errors and wonder how he isn't getting on in place of him. Problem is Andre has hardly been pulling up trees of late and the Fleetwood performance sounded particularly unacceptable, so if there's a chance to be taken he needs to have taken it.
I agree that you get more good than bad from Tim - though that has been harder to see since the PBBC left. The problem is he really is learning the game, and committing these regular errors, for Villa's benefit so something has got to give - our alternative(s) need to make a stronger case to get in ahead of him, Stef needs to get and stay fit, and at that point there's a decent case for dropping Tim I think. But neither of those things is looking that likely at the moment. |  | | |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 09:23 - Jan 23 with 3336 views | TheChef |
Before the goal Kakay had a free header which he failed to find a QPR player with, Swansea picked up the ball and turned him fairly sharpish. And that inside ball along the edge of the area they had tried a few times already.
So yeah Tim did lose his man but it was the inability to keep the ball which caused the issue in the first place.
Of course we should have been at least two up by that point anyway. |  |
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| The Irebougnam conundrum on 09:28 - Jan 23 with 3329 views | BklynRanger |
For a few brief seconds I was having quite a good laugh about that header because it seemed to come off his face.
That'll teach me to find amusement in such proceedings. | | | |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 09:42 - Jan 23 with 3295 views | daveB |
Much like the Dykes issue the real question is do we have anyone better than him not in the side?
Not sure Amos or Dozzell are any better, Johansen has been inured for months and struggles in a 2 man midfield. Tim is far from perfect but he's the best we've got
His big problem like the team on Saturday was not getting a 3rd central midfielder on to ease the workload |  | | |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 10:55 - Jan 23 with 3200 views | derbyhoop |
When driving forward from midfield Tim reminds me of Viera in his prime. But defensively he goes to sleep far too often.
If he was the complete midfielder he'd be playing for Villa in the PL. But he is far from that and I can see JoJo replacing him. Unless the deal says he has to play, when fit. |  |
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| The Irebougnam conundrum on 10:58 - Jan 23 with 3188 views | TheChef |
Surely the Iroegbunam conundrum, is spelling his surname correctly? | |
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| The Irebougnam conundrum on 11:17 - Jan 23 with 3137 views | QPunkR |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 09:42 - Jan 23 by daveB |
Much like the Dykes issue the real question is do we have anyone better than him not in the side?
Not sure Amos or Dozzell are any better, Johansen has been inured for months and struggles in a 2 man midfield. Tim is far from perfect but he's the best we've got
His big problem like the team on Saturday was not getting a 3rd central midfielder on to ease the workload |
It's a valid point whether we have anyone better to replace him in the team - but he's not our player. So we're missing out on minutes that our own assets could be improving in, while he's getting first team action (and making mistakes that cost us) for the benefit of his own future career and employers | |
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| The Irebougnam conundrum on 12:49 - Jan 23 with 2921 views | daveB |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 11:17 - Jan 23 by QPunkR |
It's a valid point whether we have anyone better to replace him in the team - but he's not our player. So we're missing out on minutes that our own assets could be improving in, while he's getting first team action (and making mistakes that cost us) for the benefit of his own future career and employers |
I get that and if we are going to scrap loans then yeah fine play Dozzell or Amos and give them minutes but you could say the same about not playing Lowe, Laird etc as well as they won't be here next year. The team with no lons in at Fleetwood was not exactly committed to the cause or any better. At the moment we need to win some games and of the players available he gets in our best team | | | |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 14:20 - Jan 23 with 2799 views | Dorse |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 10:58 - Jan 23 by TheChef |
Surely the Iroegbunam conundrum, is spelling his surname correctly? |
Not so. The Iroegbunam Conundrum was a short-lived prog rock supergroup made up of former members of Spooge, Luciferian Barse, Disreputable Scads and Syd Little. They released one album, a triple gatefold concept piece that referenced the work of the Scandinavian artist Helmuth Qvim and featured a 12 minute nose flute solo accompanied by the sounds of a moose suffering from terminal flatulence. Their work has been described as 'not exactly un-crap' and has been implicated in several crimes against humanity. |  |
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| The Irebougnam conundrum on 15:22 - Jan 23 with 2706 views | PinnerPaul |
I don't think playing him with defensive duties is the thing to do.
Said on Saturday before the goal, I would have brought on SJ for him.
However anyone can be a manager with Mr Hindsight as your assistant whilst sitting in the stands!  | | | |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 15:47 - Jan 23 with 2677 views | BAWHoops |
He's pointless (for us).
Developing at the expense of Dozell and Amos for absolutely zero long term gain to QPR.
He will play another 20 odd games for us and then we will never see him again and be left with 2 players a year older and no further in their development.
We aren't going up or down so I fail to see the point |  |
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| The Irebougnam conundrum on 15:56 - Jan 23 with 2659 views | Burnleyhoop |
| The Irebougnam conundrum on 21:52 - Jan 22 by Logman |
I thought Tim played well yesterday and I am not sure that I would blame him single handedly for the goal as it had its making on the right side where we should have done better. I wouldn't drop him for Johanssen or Richards. He's a little bit of a wild card but he can be unstoppable at moments and such moments can win us games. |
Really? still waiting for that to happen. Could be a while.
He’s having no more of an impact than Dozzell does. No longer a fan of either, so would go with playing our own than “developing” someone else’s.
The lack of experience in midfield is absolutely killing us. | | | |
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