| Kasey Palmer 10:46 - Jan 1 with 13880 views | Northernr |
Bristol City local journo says we're talking to them about this lad..
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| Kasey Palmer on 17:15 - Jan 1 with 4411 views | davman |
| Kasey Palmer on 15:49 - Jan 1 by Ned_Kennedys |
Well your valuation of £6m is of course just your opinion and could be equally as ‘ridiculous’ as mine as it’s just a total guess.
Value will be set by any team who decide to bid for him which I think is unlikely as I don’t think he’s Premier League standard. Could see Bournemouth, Fulham or West Brom putting in an offer though. |
Those teams should be seen as competitors and, we should add ANOTHER £10m to whatever price we set before selling to any of them...
The summer maybe if they go up and we don't, but not now... |  |
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| Kasey Palmer on 17:19 - Jan 1 with 4368 views | VancouverHoop |
| Kasey Palmer on 16:55 - Jan 1 by QPROslo |
Yes, a replacement for Chair is what I heard and a good alternate / competition to both Chair and Willock going forward. Feel they both need it. We should get him in quick with Chair off already Monday If we can get good deal. |
Isn't that what Amos is supposed to be? |  | | |
| Kasey Palmer on 17:27 - Jan 1 with 4309 views | daveB |
I think we tried to sign him when Eze left, would be an interesting signing, certainly has ability |  | | |
| Kasey Palmer on 17:34 - Jan 1 with 4272 views | QPROslo |
| Kasey Palmer on 17:19 - Jan 1 by VancouverHoop |
Isn't that what Amos is supposed to be? |
I gathered he is a more technical, creative player more like Chair and Willock than Amos, who I think is at his best pressing when playing in a 10 type role. But that's based only on what I hear about Palmer. | | | |
| Kasey Palmer on 18:06 - Jan 1 with 4122 views | Harbour |
| Kasey Palmer on 16:57 - Jan 1 by Northernr |
In a world where Chris Mepham is a £10m+ centre back anything is truly possible. |
In that case price tag £20m minimum | | | |
| Kasey Palmer on 18:16 - Jan 1 with 4052 views | davman |
| Kasey Palmer on 17:19 - Jan 1 by VancouverHoop |
Isn't that what Amos is supposed to be? |
I still haven't worked out what Luke Amos is. He looks OK and is clearly a lad with good technical ability and a great work ethic, but, like George Thomas, I really don't know what his best position actually is... | |
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| Kasey Palmer on 18:30 - Jan 1 with 3984 views | LazyFan |
| Kasey Palmer on 18:16 - Jan 1 by davman |
I still haven't worked out what Luke Amos is. He looks OK and is clearly a lad with good technical ability and a great work ethic, but, like George Thomas, I really don't know what his best position actually is... |
Yeah, I had the same view. But over time I have seen the value. He's a Box to box player AMC. Similar to JoJo but without the excellent passing ability of through balls that JoJo can do.
As we saw he won a good pen against Brizzle but also scored the only goal against Huddersfield who we totally dominated but are now up there with us. He ran from the circle all the way into the Hudders box for that goal, oppo should have tracked him, but they were too tired and while it may look like Amos had a simple header it was that run into the box that made the goal look easy.
Remember he's coming back from that long term injury and also he's still quite young and can develop a lot under this management. He needs game time to learn and playing with JoJo will help a lot.
Thomas is a trier but clearly, he's on his way out as he cannot make the team even when it's ravaged by COVID. A bit like Pugh is Thomas, useful somewhat but really not a long term prospect and one we cannot sell to a Prem team either. |  |
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| Kasey Palmer on 18:33 - Jan 1 with 3967 views | VancouverHoop |
| Kasey Palmer on 18:16 - Jan 1 by davman |
I still haven't worked out what Luke Amos is. He looks OK and is clearly a lad with good technical ability and a great work ethic, but, like George Thomas, I really don't know what his best position actually is... |
True. He hasn't really had time to establish himself. Instinctively he appears to be either an attacking midfielder, or even a deep lying striker. There's clearly ability there, maybe a lot of it. Right now he's trying too hard, and needs to relax. The chance he snatched at the other day was an indicator of that. Barring another injury(!) he'll be good for us I think. | | | |
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| Kasey Palmer on 18:34 - Jan 1 with 3953 views | DavieQPR |
Palmer should be a Freebie as he is one of their top earners and cannot get a game this season. |  | | |
| Kasey Palmer on 20:26 - Jan 1 with 3676 views | eastside_r |
| Kasey Palmer on 16:55 - Jan 1 by QPROslo |
Yes, a replacement for Chair is what I heard and a good alternate / competition to both Chair and Willock going forward. Feel they both need it. We should get him in quick with Chair off already Monday If we can get good deal. |
Well, this local site seems to think that it would be a ‘free’ arrangement in order to clear his wages off BC’s books.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/
We have to accept that our good plays are saleable assets who will be moved on at some point (see the Chair thread.) The thing I took from Clive’s pre-season interview with MW was the future planning with potential signings being scoped out well in advance of when the player might be needed.
Obviously, no transfer is guaranteed to succeed but this looks like a decent punt.
As for the ‘attitude problem’ label this has a problematic history. As has been pointed out Pearson is a bit of a loon and also remember that Millwall said this of Eze when he signed for us — which was obviously bollox, once we got to see the player and know the man. |  | | |
| Kasey Palmer on 21:10 - Jan 1 with 3543 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Kasey Palmer on 16:57 - Jan 1 by Northernr |
In a world where Chris Mepham is a £10m+ centre back anything is truly possible. |
Precisely.
And it's not 'just a guess' - it doesn't take a genius to work out if you have paid circa £2m for a defender who has got better in 18 months and is now seen as a top defender in a higher division, and with no need to sell for financial reasons, that his value *to us* which is important here, is going to be much higher than £3m, which represents a negligible profit, of which some would go to Oxford and of which most would be ploughed into a replacement. It makes no sense on any level. Therefore £5m minimum, probably more like £6m is the fee QPR would likely demand - at this time - to any interested party. If no one wants to pay that, he isn't going anywhere, if they do, well then his valuation has been met. |  |
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| Kasey Palmer on 21:39 - Jan 1 with 3441 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Kasey Palmer on 21:10 - Jan 1 by Antti_Heinola |
Precisely.
And it's not 'just a guess' - it doesn't take a genius to work out if you have paid circa £2m for a defender who has got better in 18 months and is now seen as a top defender in a higher division, and with no need to sell for financial reasons, that his value *to us* which is important here, is going to be much higher than £3m, which represents a negligible profit, of which some would go to Oxford and of which most would be ploughed into a replacement. It makes no sense on any level. Therefore £5m minimum, probably more like £6m is the fee QPR would likely demand - at this time - to any interested party. If no one wants to pay that, he isn't going anywhere, if they do, well then his valuation has been met. |
Agree completely with your logic, Antti.
I don't really follow transfer prices, so I can only bow to your greater knowledge on valuations.
I can't help thinking, though, that I would be disappointed with £6m. Rightly, or wrongly. |  |
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| Kasey Palmer on 23:03 - Jan 1 with 3281 views | Loftgirl |
| Kasey Palmer on 13:26 - Jan 1 by enfieldargh |
Pearson says he has an attitude problem!!!!???? |
Pots and kettles. |  | | |
| Kasey Palmer on 23:38 - Jan 1 with 3177 views | ozexile |
| Kasey Palmer on 23:03 - Jan 1 by Loftgirl |
Pots and kettles. |
New under the cosh episode with Matt Mills is certainly enlightening about Pearson. Some bits on Warburton as well. | | | |
| Kasey Palmer on 09:52 - Jan 2 with 2728 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Kasey Palmer on 21:39 - Jan 1 by BrianMcCarthy |
Agree completely with your logic, Antti.
I don't really follow transfer prices, so I can only bow to your greater knowledge on valuations.
I can't help thinking, though, that I would be disappointed with £6m. Rightly, or wrongly. |
Valuations are largely subjective and utterly dependant on how desperate the club is to sell and by how much the buying club is to prepared to pay.
Coutinho was sold for £147 million. Barcelona are now desperate to sell, but no one appears prepared to pay more than £20 million.
Sell when your own players stock is high and in demand, buy when an obviously good players stock has dropped dramatically and get his career back on track through great coaching and working in a better environment. | | | |
| Kasey Palmer on 10:26 - Jan 2 with 2580 views | WatfordR |
| Kasey Palmer on 21:39 - Jan 1 by BrianMcCarthy |
Agree completely with your logic, Antti.
I don't really follow transfer prices, so I can only bow to your greater knowledge on valuations.
I can't help thinking, though, that I would be disappointed with £6m. Rightly, or wrongly. |
One thing to remember here is that there will be many more Championship clubs in a worse place financially/FFP wise than us. We're better placed to tell clubs to sling it in January if they came in with offers that don't meet our valuations, and we're certainly better placed to be cheeky with our valuations.
If we don't get promotion this season, it's perhaps a different scenario. So, unless we want rid of a player, I'd be holding out for top dollar to sell anyone in this window. |  | | |
| Kasey Palmer on 11:00 - Jan 2 with 2486 views | distortR |
| Kasey Palmer on 10:26 - Jan 2 by WatfordR |
One thing to remember here is that there will be many more Championship clubs in a worse place financially/FFP wise than us. We're better placed to tell clubs to sling it in January if they came in with offers that don't meet our valuations, and we're certainly better placed to be cheeky with our valuations.
If we don't get promotion this season, it's perhaps a different scenario. So, unless we want rid of a player, I'd be holding out for top dollar to sell anyone in this window. |
Well, that's the balance, and perhaps the reason for some getting angsty about our level of performance recently, isn't it?
With the signings we've made, I imagine we've pushed the budget a bit this season (Not stupidly - we're not the club we were, thank goodness). The expectancy is promotion or if we don't make it, selling some of our players.
We have a core of potentially very good players, Palmer and Cook, if the deals come through, are players who will help this years push, and if we fail, likely replace Chair and Dickie.
But, it's taken us a long time to get to this level, and it will be disappointing to get so close and then lose some of our best performers.
I have faith in our management being able to build over a period of years, the players we are linked to look like strategic moves, I understand we might, as we did with Eze, have to lose stand-out players in order to strengthen the team as a whole, but it doesn't mean it won't hurt.....
Easiest for everyone if we just go up this season 
Mind you, in regards to the premiershit, I'm a journey not a destination man  | | | |
| Kasey Palmer on 11:19 - Jan 2 with 2422 views | WatfordR |
| Kasey Palmer on 11:00 - Jan 2 by distortR |
Well, that's the balance, and perhaps the reason for some getting angsty about our level of performance recently, isn't it?
With the signings we've made, I imagine we've pushed the budget a bit this season (Not stupidly - we're not the club we were, thank goodness). The expectancy is promotion or if we don't make it, selling some of our players.
We have a core of potentially very good players, Palmer and Cook, if the deals come through, are players who will help this years push, and if we fail, likely replace Chair and Dickie.
But, it's taken us a long time to get to this level, and it will be disappointing to get so close and then lose some of our best performers.
I have faith in our management being able to build over a period of years, the players we are linked to look like strategic moves, I understand we might, as we did with Eze, have to lose stand-out players in order to strengthen the team as a whole, but it doesn't mean it won't hurt.....
Easiest for everyone if we just go up this season
Mind you, in regards to the premiershit, I'm a journey not a destination man |
I'm with you there. I'd love us to be able to keep together the core of good young players we have and build on that. The only way that's possible is promotion.
However, it seems to me that this squad is a mile away from being able to compete in the Prem. What you need as a prerequisite is pace and athleticism, and there's very few of our current squad that meet the requirement.
I remember Warbs saying last season that what we needed to add was pace, and in fairness, none of the pre season signings really had any of that.
Don't get me wrong, if we can get up, all well and good, but there'll be pressure on us to overhaul the squad immediately, and if I'm honest I'd probably rather go up with a squad that can survive and benefit from the odd signing here and there. | | | |
| Kasey Palmer on 11:48 - Jan 2 with 2349 views | LeedsR |
| Kasey Palmer on 11:00 - Jan 2 by distortR |
Well, that's the balance, and perhaps the reason for some getting angsty about our level of performance recently, isn't it?
With the signings we've made, I imagine we've pushed the budget a bit this season (Not stupidly - we're not the club we were, thank goodness). The expectancy is promotion or if we don't make it, selling some of our players.
We have a core of potentially very good players, Palmer and Cook, if the deals come through, are players who will help this years push, and if we fail, likely replace Chair and Dickie.
But, it's taken us a long time to get to this level, and it will be disappointing to get so close and then lose some of our best performers.
I have faith in our management being able to build over a period of years, the players we are linked to look like strategic moves, I understand we might, as we did with Eze, have to lose stand-out players in order to strengthen the team as a whole, but it doesn't mean it won't hurt.....
Easiest for everyone if we just go up this season
Mind you, in regards to the premiershit, I'm a journey not a destination man |
Agree with all you’ve put there. As much as I hate to say it, think of how Brentford managed to consistently sell their best players for big fees, and then already have their replacements waiting in the wings to take over. They had to do this for several years, all the time looking like a decent Championship side before they eventually got promoted.
I think we’re still in the early phases of this, but it’s the way forward, if “only” initially to keep the club on a sound financial footing. Once we keep the finances ticking over nicely, then we can be thinking about the financial security from the premiership, but I too am very much the journey rather than destination type too! |  | | |
| Kasey Palmer on 13:47 - Jan 2 with 2148 views | ted_hendrix |
Well he's not playing today or on the subs bench. |  |
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| Kasey Palmer on 15:52 - Jan 2 with 2015 views | TGRRRSSS |
I think Dickie might be more missed when not playing to be honest.
He does have some issues, but is developing well only his 2nd season at this level people forget.
I don't see £10m as that unlikely when you lok at what others have gone for.
We'll see, I could see Dyche picking him up and doing good work with him for example. |  | | |
| Kasey Palmer on 18:33 - Jan 2 with 1810 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Kasey Palmer on 15:52 - Jan 2 by TGRRRSSS |
I think Dickie might be more missed when not playing to be honest.
He does have some issues, but is developing well only his 2nd season at this level people forget.
I don't see £10m as that unlikely when you lok at what others have gone for.
We'll see, I could see Dyche picking him up and doing good work with him for example. |
The fact that Dyche let Dunne slip through is fingers for not a lot doesn;t say much for him, I'd venture. | |
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| Kasey Palmer on 19:05 - Jan 2 with 1689 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Kasey Palmer on 15:49 - Jan 1 by Ned_Kennedys |
Well your valuation of £6m is of course just your opinion and could be equally as ‘ridiculous’ as mine as it’s just a total guess.
Value will be set by any team who decide to bid for him which I think is unlikely as I don’t think he’s Premier League standard. Could see Bournemouth, Fulham or West Brom putting in an offer though. |
No offence but his valuation has at least been arrived at through careful analysis (age, amount paid for the lad, performances, and remaining duration of contract). Yours came with little to no supporting rationale so is effectively guesswork. Now I'm not saying that either of you are wrong but it pays to justify any figures you put forward.
One thing I will say is that the player's value is not decided by whatever bids come in. MW has made it clear time-and-time again that the club places a valuation on its players and potential suitors have to meet that valuation in order for the club to consider selling. [Post edited 2 Jan 2022 19:14]
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| Kasey Palmer on 19:16 - Jan 2 with 1652 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| Kasey Palmer on 18:33 - Jan 2 by Antti_Heinola |
The fact that Dyche let Dunne slip through is fingers for not a lot doesn;t say much for him, I'd venture. |
He's certainly doing very well in the middle of a back 3 here. Not sure what Burnley play with. Maybe he didn't fit their system. |  |
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| Kasey Palmer on 19:20 - Jan 2 with 1618 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Kasey Palmer on 20:26 - Jan 1 by eastside_r |
Well, this local site seems to think that it would be a ‘free’ arrangement in order to clear his wages off BC’s books.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/
We have to accept that our good plays are saleable assets who will be moved on at some point (see the Chair thread.) The thing I took from Clive’s pre-season interview with MW was the future planning with potential signings being scoped out well in advance of when the player might be needed.
Obviously, no transfer is guaranteed to succeed but this looks like a decent punt.
As for the ‘attitude problem’ label this has a problematic history. As has been pointed out Pearson is a bit of a loon and also remember that Millwall said this of Eze when he signed for us — which was obviously bollox, once we got to see the player and know the man. |
Conversely there may have been some truth in it given that a player of such extraordinary natural talent was failing at one club after another. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that when he joined the good ship QPR he matured. | | | |
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