| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 12:13 - Jan 20 with 3247 views | daveB |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 11:16 - Jan 20 by wombat |
we arent but get rid of some of the dead wood before u get rid of a player who is always fit works his nuts off in the hope we can unearth a diamond from the lower leagues or plan b get a prem player in loan to see out the season , makes zero sense to me as somebody said earlier hes been begging for balls payed through to him all season and not seen one decent ball below head height yet ? we dont have a central midfield player who can play that ball prob not since faulin was here in fact |
someone has got to want the dead wood, if anyone came in for them we'd sell them |  | |  |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 12:25 - Jan 20 with 3134 views | traininvain |
Millwall probably doing us a favour by flushing out any other interest from clubs capable of paying £3/4m with the majority upfront.
Didn’t we low ball Millwall for their right back last summer? |  | | |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 12:27 - Jan 20 with 3088 views | gazza1 |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 11:16 - Jan 20 by wombat |
we arent but get rid of some of the dead wood before u get rid of a player who is always fit works his nuts off in the hope we can unearth a diamond from the lower leagues or plan b get a prem player in loan to see out the season , makes zero sense to me as somebody said earlier hes been begging for balls payed through to him all season and not seen one decent ball below head height yet ? we dont have a central midfield player who can play that ball prob not since faulin was here in fact |
I do not really know if we are in trouble with FFP ect but I would suggest that No1 priority is selling players who are worth money. Ideally it would be good to get rid of a few of the dead wood but they are dead wood because they are 'no good' and clubs will not be interested. Dykes has a value, hence the interest.
Dykes, like it or not, struggles to make any impact on matches......so lets sell and get as much as we can.
Les must have a little book of names who may be able to be brought in and improve the squad/team. |  | | |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 12:42 - Jan 20 with 3007 views | aston_hoop |
This story is considered nonsense from the Millwall end but much hilarity that people think they have money to spend. |  |
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| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 12:46 - Jan 20 with 2966 views | ted_hendrix |
Sheff Utd now have a transfer embargo for non payment of tranfer fees dating back to last season. |  |
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| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 13:24 - Jan 20 with 2706 views | wombat |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 12:13 - Jan 20 by daveB |
someone has got to want the dead wood, if anyone came in for them we'd sell them |
wont get any money for dead wood just pay reminder of contracts off
nico thomas etc free up some wages that way |  |
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| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 13:31 - Jan 20 with 2665 views | terryb |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 13:24 - Jan 20 by wombat |
wont get any money for dead wood just pay reminder of contracts off
nico thomas etc free up some wages that way |
How that does free up wages?
The club would have to pay unti the end of the contract unless agreement could be reached for a lower amount with the player. In the case of Nico this would increase wages in this season although it would reduce next seasons.
If I was the player I definitely wouldn't accept a penny less than the full amount outstanding. | | | |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 13:33 - Jan 20 with 2638 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 10:09 - Jan 20 by qprd |
Very skeptical of how much of that £3m is guaranteed, but i would be very very inclined to sell him if we get any decent money for him
we have an FFP gap to fill, and this will partially help fill it... we're not going up or down and we have lowe, so we are basically well situated to at least stay up... keeping dykes wont have a material impact on our final position
anyone whose read the commentary on last weeks match and the impact lowe had will immediately see how much dykes cripples our attack. he is the single reason our attack is so flaccid, and it has nothing to do with his mediocre to below average goal scoring record
-he cant run behind a defense, which exacerbates our sideways/no tempo passing issue... when we play lowe, we will see how his runnign behind and into channels creates space for willock and chair to operate, thereby creating some tempo and forward thrust into our play
-he cant run at defenders with the ball.. not essential for a striker and not a skill many have in this division, but again limits us going forward and shrinks the pitch for us.... see what a difference the luton striker made by being able to run at our backline
-his skill set is aerial duels, but in basically 1 in 2 matches, the center back will have him in his pocket.... he vacillates b/w these performances, so we get the predictable "best game for rangers" comment after a random match where he wins a few headers. but totally invisible in the other half
-hes not a technical player so cant link up with the likes of chair willock and roberts in the final third...
and finally, his goal scoring record is totally average... 1 in 4 (of which many are pens) and blows hot and cold, so we have to regularly endure 7 or 8 matches without a goal
we are very quick to sack managers and pay all the associated costs... so why not get rid of dykes, who Im sketpcial will improve much at this stage.... take the money and reinvest next season |
Of your 5 criticisms I would only agree with 1, arguably the most important, his goal-scoring at 1 in 4 at ours should be 1 in 3, like it is for Scotland, especially if the number includes penalties.
Considering following examples, the obvious question is why does'nt this happen every game, and imo, is largely in part to what Critchley has immediately recognised, without a creative midfield we are reliant on our 10's moving the ball much quicker than they do, most noticeable with Chair and of late with Willock (post-injury). Of your criticisms:
1) Can't run in behind - Fulham away, excellent anticipation, movement & finish, on receiving a very rare early first time pass against a premiership defence
2) Can't run with the ball - Preston home, header on the ground, look at his footwook, skill and pace (albeit against a Centre Half lacking in pace like ours) in lead up to that goal
3) Does'nt win aerial duels (or 1 in 2) - Sheff Utd home recently proved otherwise, as do many other games, if we get the ball forward quickly before both Centre Halves are set, and get our 10's around him, Dykes is very under-rated in the air
4) Not a technical player - Scotland performances prove otherwise, links up very well with their midfield who most crucially 'give + go'.
5) Goalscoring ratio too low - Agree, for me reasons are three-fold, one is he plays as a lone striker with no support more often against two Centre Halves, other is he is a confidence player in the way Matt Phillips was, and too easily goes into his shell after a missed chance (unlike say Austin or Kane who immediately shrug it off) plus he has'nt got the street-smarts to make that yard in the box that the likes of Austin and Kane have, coming through non-league and academy football.
With regards these 3 weaknesses underpinning a lack of goals, I remain convinced this can be coached into a player, as a few months after Austin's arrival his movement in the box noticeably improved.
Anything less than £ 5m and it would be a sale we could regret. | | | |
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| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 13:38 - Jan 20 with 2594 views | R_from_afar |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 12:27 - Jan 20 by gazza1 |
I do not really know if we are in trouble with FFP ect but I would suggest that No1 priority is selling players who are worth money. Ideally it would be good to get rid of a few of the dead wood but they are dead wood because they are 'no good' and clubs will not be interested. Dykes has a value, hence the interest.
Dykes, like it or not, struggles to make any impact on matches......so lets sell and get as much as we can.
Les must have a little book of names who may be able to be brought in and improve the squad/team. |
"Dykes, like it or not, struggles to make any impact on matches......so lets sell and get as much as we can".
Although he was MOTM against Sheffield Utd 
Who are we going to get in who will instantly be as good as if not better than Dykes? Barnes is on £31k a week so will blow our salary structure to pieces, he is 33 and will have no resale value and has scored 4 in 24 this season.
People say Dykes isn't scoring enough, well, I agree, but the same goes for all our team, especially recently. Very few goals and generally poor finishing.
There is no one in the squad who can do what Dykes does. I will be very concerned if we sell him without having a proper replacement ready. This isn't the closed season, there is a long way to go and we could get into real difficulty if we get rid of a key attacking player (agreed, the bar is low) with so many points still at stake.
It would be absolute folly to sell him now. Even if we got a fortune for him and did get someone proven at this level, that player could take a few games to settle anyway and finish any chance of the play-offs, or even leave us sliding down the table. |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 13:54 - Jan 20 with 2466 views | gazza1 |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 13:38 - Jan 20 by R_from_afar |
"Dykes, like it or not, struggles to make any impact on matches......so lets sell and get as much as we can".
Although he was MOTM against Sheffield Utd
Who are we going to get in who will instantly be as good as if not better than Dykes? Barnes is on £31k a week so will blow our salary structure to pieces, he is 33 and will have no resale value and has scored 4 in 24 this season.
People say Dykes isn't scoring enough, well, I agree, but the same goes for all our team, especially recently. Very few goals and generally poor finishing.
There is no one in the squad who can do what Dykes does. I will be very concerned if we sell him without having a proper replacement ready. This isn't the closed season, there is a long way to go and we could get into real difficulty if we get rid of a key attacking player (agreed, the bar is low) with so many points still at stake.
It would be absolute folly to sell him now. Even if we got a fortune for him and did get someone proven at this level, that player could take a few games to settle anyway and finish any chance of the play-offs, or even leave us sliding down the table. |
He may have been your MOM but he wasn't as far as I am concerned.....his No1 job is to score goals and he failed to do that.
As I have said I would expect that Les will have his book on strikers that the Club find interesting.....unlike you I do not know how much Barnes earns (incidentally how do you know that he earns £31k per week??)......and I doubt if a 33 year old would be in that list/book.
If the price is right, for a variety of reasons, he will be sold - simple as that.....he struggles in most games playing & making any impact in the Championship and I see no reason why that would change. | | | |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 13:59 - Jan 20 with 2428 views | R_from_afar |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 13:54 - Jan 20 by gazza1 |
He may have been your MOM but he wasn't as far as I am concerned.....his No1 job is to score goals and he failed to do that.
As I have said I would expect that Les will have his book on strikers that the Club find interesting.....unlike you I do not know how much Barnes earns (incidentally how do you know that he earns £31k per week??)......and I doubt if a 33 year old would be in that list/book.
If the price is right, for a variety of reasons, he will be sold - simple as that.....he struggles in most games playing & making any impact in the Championship and I see no reason why that would change. |
He was MOTM in the LFW match report.
Here's the source for the £31k per week. It might be wrong but who knows:
https://salarysport.com/footba | |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 13:59 - Jan 20 with 2419 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 13:54 - Jan 20 by gazza1 |
He may have been your MOM but he wasn't as far as I am concerned.....his No1 job is to score goals and he failed to do that.
As I have said I would expect that Les will have his book on strikers that the Club find interesting.....unlike you I do not know how much Barnes earns (incidentally how do you know that he earns £31k per week??)......and I doubt if a 33 year old would be in that list/book.
If the price is right, for a variety of reasons, he will be sold - simple as that.....he struggles in most games playing & making any impact in the Championship and I see no reason why that would change. |
Both Northern and Neil Warnock gave Dykes MOTM against Sheffield Utd,
A top 2 side on a great run with Premiership experienced Centre Halves,
So the question is why the MOTM performance?
And the answer could be, Critchely has identified our slow build-up play as our key weakness and in moving the ball quicker and being more direct, Dykes immediately looks like the player he is for Scotland. | | | |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 14:10 - Jan 20 with 2309 views | gazza1 |
Ah Fxck Me, Norf says he is MOM so that is it......Norf is not ALWAYS right, normally but not always. Good old Norf!!!!!
No doubting LD played a lot better than he has been, so did most of the Team, there were many contenders that night and many supporters were very pleased with the massive improvements from previous games and most came away much more happy (so did I) but I still expect a lot more from the Team including LD., my view is that we have a decent squad which should be pressing for a top 6 place. | | | |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 14:15 - Jan 20 with 2281 views | BrianMcCarthy |
It's going to be a long eleven days. |  |
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| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 14:16 - Jan 20 with 2265 views | wombat |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 13:59 - Jan 20 by ParkRoyalR |
Both Northern and Neil Warnock gave Dykes MOTM against Sheffield Utd,
A top 2 side on a great run with Premiership experienced Centre Halves,
So the question is why the MOTM performance?
And the answer could be, Critchely has identified our slow build-up play as our key weakness and in moving the ball quicker and being more direct, Dykes immediately looks like the player he is for Scotland. |
amazing how blinkered some of our fans are with certain players
try playing a single striekr with zero support and then complain he dosnt score goals , we dont corss ointo the box often enough his main role is mke space for chair and before inuury willock to work in , we dont play balls to his feet mainly 20 foot in the air ,
id lay odds on him getting ten goals for millwall befre the ned of the season if he went there as they like matt smith play to his strength balls into the mix with players to support him ,
when austin was here we played that way and hang on he scored some goals as he wasnt double makred mos of the game and we played decent crosses into the box for a change
we are sking yes but ashley barnes short term aint the ansa same as washigton and bonne wasnt | |
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| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 14:19 - Jan 20 with 2240 views | QPR_Jim |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 13:24 - Jan 20 by wombat |
wont get any money for dead wood just pay reminder of contracts off
nico thomas etc free up some wages that way |
Not sure if he counts as deadwood but there's speculation that Gillingham are after Masterson since their loanee defender from Ipswich was recalled.
Looking at their local news they've been dubbed the Chelsea of league 2, splashing the cash. So if they do get in contact for Masterson we might be able to tempt them with Thomas or one of the others that would probably benefit from a fresh start. |  | | |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 14:39 - Jan 20 with 2132 views | bosh67 |
Most of the goals he scores are from low hard crosses into the area and in his defence we just don't set up to feed him properly. That said he does go through periods of missing everything.
For me the problem is that he isn't a natural or instinctive player. He's also not a lead striker. I keep going back to the Zamora comparison. Another player who worked hard for the team but wasn't a natural goal scorer. He was the straight man in a double act for Austin. Zamora on his own wouldn't have been able to be as successful. Dykes for me is the same player. Last season he was a support act to Gray and Austin. This season he has no support from an experienced striker. I really think Dykes would work better in a double act with a senior striker. Barnes isn't a great goal scorer but he is also possibly a player that may create more room off him?
I would be loathed to sell Dykes now but if someone came in with £4+m I think the club would need to think seriously, but it would be down to having enough to stay up this season.
If someone does put in 4+ for him then getting Barnes in and taking a punt on Macaulay Langstaff for about £250k and low wages could balance the books and give us a strike force. |  |
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| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 14:46 - Jan 20 with 2103 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 13:59 - Jan 20 by ParkRoyalR |
Both Northern and Neil Warnock gave Dykes MOTM against Sheffield Utd,
A top 2 side on a great run with Premiership experienced Centre Halves,
So the question is why the MOTM performance?
And the answer could be, Critchely has identified our slow build-up play as our key weakness and in moving the ball quicker and being more direct, Dykes immediately looks like the player he is for Scotland. |
Hmm, well that reopens a thorny subject: but has anyone ever seen Warnock and Whittingham in the same room at the same time?
Report says a bid has been made. If the sum is correct. I very much doubt we'll get anywhere near that as time passes. Put it another way: if we could turn the clock back, would we buy Dykes again? |  |
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| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 14:54 - Jan 20 with 2048 views | DavieQPR |
Dykes may not be the best but he is for the amount of money we can afford. If the club had a replacement lined up he would have already been here. |  | | |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 14:55 - Jan 20 with 2021 views | gazza1 |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 14:46 - Jan 20 by PlanetHonneywood |
Hmm, well that reopens a thorny subject: but has anyone ever seen Warnock and Whittingham in the same room at the same time?
Report says a bid has been made. If the sum is correct. I very much doubt we'll get anywhere near that as time passes. Put it another way: if we could turn the clock back, would we buy Dykes again? |
Good point, that, Planet.....they know the answer, just like we do!!!! | | | |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 15:24 - Jan 20 with 1908 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 12:08 - Jan 20 by LazyFan |
I have stated before if we get £3m for Dykes we should probably sell him, but that was if we get it all upfront. No way Millwall would do that.
When we sold Eze it was I think made public that a club had come in for him in Palace but that we had not reached an agreement on how the £19.5m would be paid. This is all guesswork, but I believe we wanted it all up front and Palace only wanted to pay something like £11m and the rest in addons/instalments.
Then as we went public, WBA came in for Eze for the full £20m, this lead to Palace coming back with £15m + £4.5m in addons and by that time Eze was set on Palace so, we told WBA to go foxtrot and he was sold to Palace.
This was good for us despite being slightly less and in addons as it told all the other clubs we don't accept the first offer, we won't be lowballed and get in quick with your bids or we shall sell to someone who meets our valuation before you even if you offer more later on.
Since then we have used the money to hang onto our salable players (BoS and Manning were already too far gone so, don't count) and invest in players like Dykes who we can see, we can now sell on, despite him being not that good for us.
Hopefully, Stoke will come in with a £4m bid and Grangers a £5m bid and so on. If we sell him for £4m plus that will be good business by Les and Hoo's. Some may say only IF we have a back up to then go out and buy, but even without that eventually, as a selling club we actually have to sell players. Will we get that money in 1 year's time with Dykes if he continues not scoring as he has? No chance.
We should sell now, while several clubs are interested and may pay over the odds for him. |
Vast majority, if not all, of fees paid at this sort of level is done in installments. |  |
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| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 15:26 - Jan 20 with 1903 views | PinnerPaul |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 09:03 - Jan 20 by Rangersw12 |
Surely we would have a list of strikers that we have scouted and x y z contingency plans if not then again have to look at the way the club is being run
Dykes is a terrible player so unless we think we can get more it's a ridiculous decision to reject 3 million unless of course its all bollocks 🤔 |
"Scouted" is a long long long way from signed and ready to play tomorrow! | | | |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 15:26 - Jan 20 with 1901 views | Loyalitat |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 14:54 - Jan 20 by DavieQPR |
Dykes may not be the best but he is for the amount of money we can afford. If the club had a replacement lined up he would have already been here. |
Sorry he's not the best for the amount of money we can afford. Take a look at the leading scorers in the championship this year and there are many who cost less than Dykes. Our scouting can be called into question.
Gyokeres, Morris, Ndiyae, Stewart all cost less than Dykes. He's well into his third season and has played more games than the others at this level. It's not unreasonable to expect him to emulate some of the above in terms of goals scored.
Even Will Keane has scored 10 goals this season for lowly Wigan. | | | |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 15:31 - Jan 20 with 1872 views | PinnerPaul |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 11:27 - Jan 20 by Gloucs_R |
There is no way that Millwall have offered 3 million upfront. It's more likely that they've made a small offer and the rest based on such things like promotion to the Premier League.
I think what's more interesting is that we have gone public with it, therefore he is available if anyone wants to put the money down. |
Where have we gone public withjit? | | | |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 15:32 - Jan 20 with 1865 views | PinnerPaul |
| Millwall Dykes bid supposedly rejected on 11:41 - Jan 20 by Northernr |
Critchley has said in his pre-match we've rejected a big that falls short of of valuation. |
Fair enough. | | | |
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