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I'll be watching on Recast….I can't go up the pub, I've hurt my calf. I'm hoping GA will field the likely team to start at Watford and not completely change it for the second half.
Give it a rest. LF has gone. Pointless to keep sniping.
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I remember in 2009/10 Newcastle lost a pre-season friendly 6-1 to Leyton Orient and they were being ridiculed in all the press about how their Prem superstars who hadn't left were getting their arses handed to them by a League Two side.
Newcastle then won the 2009/10 Championship at a canter.
I quite enjoy this forum. It's ok to be realistic. It's a fcking miserable place to come onto when people are creaming themselves about how badly we're doing because they can say "I was right" though. There's a balance.
Today was awful in every possible way. This is at best going to be a long season and it could be awful from start to finish. There can't be any excuses. But there are going to be some smug fckers saying "I told you so" and delighting in the fact that things are going badly tonight. I don't understand that attitude and it makes this a toxic place.
Yep. That’s pretty much my position.
I cannot defend anything about today though and I’m not sure why things are going so badly. Yes mistakes have been made. Yes we are lacking in several key positions. But that wasn’t it today. It really wasn’t a lack of a decent CD or CF. It was a lack of any identity and structure to the team. We just weren’t playing football in any way that justifies the description. I really don’t know why. Poor movement, poor decision-making, not supporting the man with the ball, not covering back, not making runs, not challenging with conviction. It was a shambles as if a load of amateurs had stolen our kit, kidnapped the first team and conned their way into the pitch.
I don’t know where he goes from here but we can’t carry on in such a lackadaisical way. It was one of the worst performances I have ever seen from us and I was at a Peterborough away game and watched last year’s Blackpool debacle on TV. I really hope GA has a plan B!
I remember in 2009/10 Newcastle lost a pre-season friendly 6-1 to Leyton Orient and they were being ridiculed in all the press about how their Prem superstars who hadn't left were getting their arses handed to them by a League Two side.
Newcastle then won the 2009/10 Championship at a canter.
Clutching at straws I know
Straw clutching at it's finest, there. Newcastle didn't have a squad quite as poor as ours. And even the merest thought that we might win the Championship at a canter, ought to be good reason to call for the men in white coats carrying butterfly nets.
Isn’t this exactly the sort of season to commit to getting there and supporting ?
If I lived closer to the ground, maybe. Just got better things to do with my time than be forced to watch dross like last season. I'll still go to matches (was there last week) but it became a chore last season.
Today's debacle, and the terrible outcome with Dunne, makes it crystal clear club has to beg, borrow, or steal two quality CBs, two attacking CMS, and one/two CFs at a minimum if it wants to compete this season, FFP or no FFP. Otherwise, it can just relegate itself and use FFP as the fig leaf/excuse if it prefers. (I increasingly suspect the latter option is the not-so- hidden agenda.)
At times today Rangers looked like a bunch of school kids in playground football game, all running around the ball together, getting in each others way , no structure, just headless chickens!! What was the game plan? That's what scared me more than anything I couldn't see what our pattern of play was! I think that's probably up there with the worst performances by us that I've ever seen. Yep I'm scared , very scared!!!
AND WHEN I DREAM , I DREAM ABOUT YOU AND WHEN I SCREAM I SCREAM ABOUT YOU!!!!!
Before people jump, Let me clarify that I have been willing Gaz to succeed from the beginning and that won't change... I am usually in the happy clappers camp and I know it was a friendly...
However, with about 15 minutes left, the thought occurred to me... could Gaz actually resign after this? Along the lines of "you know what, I really have bitten off more than I can chew with this one, given the state the club is in, and my previous experience. I can't see how I'm going to get this lot doing what I need". Unprecedented for a Rangers manager to step back so close to the start of the season, but sure it's happened elsewhere.
I expect we will be properly tonked at Watford and it won't be the last one this season. However, I am also sure that Gaz will not be here for the season if we keep playing like tthat
Before people jump, Let me clarify that I have been willing Gaz to succeed from the beginning and that won't change... I am usually in the happy clappers camp and I know it was a friendly...
However, with about 15 minutes left, the thought occurred to me... could Gaz actually resign after this? Along the lines of "you know what, I really have bitten off more than I can chew with this one, given the state the club is in, and my previous experience. I can't see how I'm going to get this lot doing what I need". Unprecedented for a Rangers manager to step back so close to the start of the season, but sure it's happened elsewhere.
I expect we will be properly tonked at Watford and it won't be the last one this season. However, I am also sure that Gaz will not be here for the season if we keep playing like tthat
I actually had a similar thought Lone.
A lot of people saying will he be here in October. Don't think many of us can see many (any) points in those opening fixtures, so even October could be a stretch.
Of today's starting 11, we have seen the vast majority of them be decent players at this level, never mind lining up against the one below. Scant evidence his message is getting through.
I cannot defend anything about today though and I’m not sure why things are going so badly. Yes mistakes have been made. Yes we are lacking in several key positions. But that wasn’t it today. It really wasn’t a lack of a decent CD or CF. It was a lack of any identity and structure to the team. We just weren’t playing football in any way that justifies the description. I really don’t know why. Poor movement, poor decision-making, not supporting the man with the ball, not covering back, not making runs, not challenging with conviction. It was a shambles as if a load of amateurs had stolen our kit, kidnapped the first team and conned their way into the pitch.
I don’t know where he goes from here but we can’t carry on in such a lackadaisical way. It was one of the worst performances I have ever seen from us and I was at a Peterborough away game and watched last year’s Blackpool debacle on TV. I really hope GA has a plan B!
Word for word spot on. The team lacks absolutely everything you would need to be a team - ability, experience, heart, effort, personality.
The only positive is that happened today. I've felt watching them all summer one like that has been coming. My big fear was it would happen at Watford. Gareth even said to us on Thursday "there's a team every year that blows out and gets done 5-0 on the opening day, I desperately don't want that to be us" which tells me he's been thinking the same thing too. Maybe it happening today is a much needed wake up call. But that's the only positive I can take. We're now presumably going in against Watford with a combination of Gubbins/Woodman/Hawkins/Rendall at centre back? Or Field? Or Kakay?
A lot of people saying will he be here in October. Don't think many of us can see many (any) points in those opening fixtures, so even October could be a stretch.
Of today's starting 11, we have seen the vast majority of them be decent players at this level, never mind lining up against the one below. Scant evidence his message is getting through.
Cheers- I now see another poster asked the same question on the Gaz thread.
It looks like either he can't organise a team (unlikely based on Wycombe, albeit mainly at a lower level), or he players can't/won't do what he wants (mmm....)
To be honest, I can't really pass comment as I was having to work overtime, so only turned on to see the 5th goal, which I readily admit, looked like it was defended by a team of underweight U14s.
I saw the comment that GA had his head in his hands when Jimmy Dunne went down injured, so I'll go with that as being an accurate summary of the day's proceedings.
I shall watch the lowlights tomorrow to get up to speed (which it sounds like will be more than the defence managed all game).
Word for word spot on. The team lacks absolutely everything you would need to be a team - ability, experience, heart, effort, personality.
The only positive is that happened today. I've felt watching them all summer one like that has been coming. My big fear was it would happen at Watford. Gareth even said to us on Thursday "there's a team every year that blows out and gets done 5-0 on the opening day, I desperately don't want that to be us" which tells me he's been thinking the same thing too. Maybe it happening today is a much needed wake up call. But that's the only positive I can take. We're now presumably going in against Watford with a combination of Gubbins/Woodman/Hawkins/Rendall at centre back? Or Field? Or Kakay?
Fox? Is he available. I’ve entirely lost track. Suspended?
Other people will know far more about Gubbins than me but putting Kakay in there means playing Drewe against Ken Sema and Jamal Lewis which feels like a bloodbath.
Obviously moving Field back creates another huge void but it feels likely to me.
Fox? Is he available. I’ve entirely lost track. Suspended?
Other people will know far more about Gubbins than me but putting Kakay in there means playing Drewe against Ken Sema and Jamal Lewis which feels like a bloodbath.
Obviously moving Field back creates another huge void but it feels likely to me.
Let's just say I'd be absolutely amazed if he picked Drewe.
At times today Rangers looked like a bunch of school kids in playground football game, all running around the ball together, getting in each others way , no structure, just headless chickens!! What was the game plan? That's what scared me more than anything I couldn't see what our pattern of play was! I think that's probably up there with the worst performances by us that I've ever seen. Yep I'm scared , very scared!!!
The game plan is to knock it aimlessly behind their full backs for Chair or Wilock to run onto and hope they pick up the second ball. That is seriously it.
Word for word spot on. The team lacks absolutely everything you would need to be a team - ability, experience, heart, effort, personality.
The only positive is that happened today. I've felt watching them all summer one like that has been coming. My big fear was it would happen at Watford. Gareth even said to us on Thursday "there's a team every year that blows out and gets done 5-0 on the opening day, I desperately don't want that to be us" which tells me he's been thinking the same thing too. Maybe it happening today is a much needed wake up call. But that's the only positive I can take. We're now presumably going in against Watford with a combination of Gubbins/Woodman/Hawkins/Rendall at centre back? Or Field? Or Kakay?
Thankfully, I was at the Ipswich Beer Festival today & missed everything .
I'm so looking forward to Watford next week. At least pre match should be enjoyable!
I think my 100% record of Rangers winning when I've seen us at Vicarage Road might be under threat! I admit that it's only been twice!
These kind of performances are becoming more and more the norm with this club rather than the exception.
It doesn't matter who is in charge, what tactics or formations are employed, it's still the same end product.
Players looking totally disinterested, players shying away from any sort of contact or 50/50 balls, nobody taking any responsibility and all of them looking like they don't want to be here and absolutely don't want to play football anymore.
Yes, if we play like that this season we will go down and it’s highly likely we’ll be lucky to get a point all season, or even score a goal.
And yes, Ainsworth would be sacked after about 8 games if that happens.
But I really don't know what difference it would make.
They've turned in performances like this for Warburton, Beale, Critchley and Ainsworth. None of them could stop this happening let alone stop it happening far too often.
Results like today are now results you kind of expect to happen with this club but hope that they actually won't happen.
I can't put it any other way, really. I have genuinely never seen a group of footballers on this planet who appear to care less than this lot.
Of course, it would be the most QPR thing ever to go out next week and beat Watford.
But even if they do, I'm just used to the reality that another result like today's woodshed beating isn't far away.
These kind of performances are becoming more and more the norm with this club rather than the exception.
It doesn't matter who is in charge, what tactics or formations are employed, it's still the same end product.
Players looking totally disinterested, players shying away from any sort of contact or 50/50 balls, nobody taking any responsibility and all of them looking like they don't want to be here and absolutely don't want to play football anymore.
Yes, if we play like that this season we will go down and it’s highly likely we’ll be lucky to get a point all season, or even score a goal.
And yes, Ainsworth would be sacked after about 8 games if that happens.
But I really don't know what difference it would make.
They've turned in performances like this for Warburton, Beale, Critchley and Ainsworth. None of them could stop this happening let alone stop it happening far too often.
Results like today are now results you kind of expect to happen with this club but hope that they actually won't happen.
I can't put it any other way, really. I have genuinely never seen a group of footballers on this planet who appear to care less than this lot.
Of course, it would be the most QPR thing ever to go out next week and beat Watford.
But even if they do, I'm just used to the reality that another result like today's woodshed beating isn't far away.
Yet Chair, Willock and Richards were all good first half at Wimbledon and seemed pretty up for it. Didn't watch the game, but doesn't sound like the case today...
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