| England Thread 🏴 19:29 - Oct 17 with 258837 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
About time we had one I think? |  | | |  |
| England Thread 🏴 on 22:52 - Jul 15 with 2264 views | BYRNE10 |
| England Thread 🏴 on 22:45 - Jul 15 by paulparker |
That’s worse than anything Southgate did tonight
I’m fuming with that
We have wasted at least 3 golden opportunities in my life time
Get rid |
Another shit manager, take off an attacking player and bring on a defender.
Then do the same again and when we inevitably concede, we can’t do anything about it.
Genius
Although the players didn’t help him, they started retreating from the 30th minute of this game and never really stopped after.
I actually think we’re just not good enough.
Argentina are way better than us , that’s the honest truth.
Will never win a World Cup until we learn to control games like Spain do.
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| England Thread 🏴 on 22:54 - Jul 15 with 2235 views | Stainrod |
Found myself thinking of Warbs and his slightly tedious fine margins.
If we had held out a few more minutes I guess TT would be hailed a tactical genius.
But (and this is not pure hindsight) it felt as soon as he took Gordon off and went 6 at the back we had gone too defensive too soon and really we were only waiting for the inevitable. Would prefer to have gone down all guns blazing than that.
A progression from Southgate? Not slamming TT as such a difficult job, but not convinced. Bottom line is we never had the belief we could go toe to toe with Argentina | | | |
| England Thread 🏴 on 22:55 - Jul 15 with 2196 views | numptydumpty |
| England Thread 🏴 on 22:48 - Jul 15 by Ranger_1969 |
I actually feel sorry for the players - that result was 100% on Tuchel |
Hey if we still wanted to try to win the game but still bring a defender on, could have brought on a right back such as Trent but we only had Chalobaoh left.
A very stubborn manager that stuck to his gameplan, despite it being so so obvious that it was going to fail and bringing on Rashford and Toney on in the 95th minute.
Mmmm
They would have got two or three goals in extra time too.
Taking off Gordon and Declan Rice and Bringing on Konsa and O'Reilly idiocy... [Post edited 15 Jul 22:58]
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| England Thread 🏴 on 22:55 - Jul 15 with 2213 views | ozexile |
| England Thread 🏴 on 22:52 - Jul 15 by KerryE |
My god….that was us v Wrexham…..8 defenders in a line too deep……completely pissed off |
I'm astounded that he couldn't see that the danger was in midfield not defence.if you wanna go defensive bolster the midfield to deny space for Messi. Their forward had cause no problem | | | |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:01 - Jul 15 with 2084 views | colinallcars |
| England Thread 🏴 on 22:54 - Jul 15 by Stainrod |
Found myself thinking of Warbs and his slightly tedious fine margins.
If we had held out a few more minutes I guess TT would be hailed a tactical genius.
But (and this is not pure hindsight) it felt as soon as he took Gordon off and went 6 at the back we had gone too defensive too soon and really we were only waiting for the inevitable. Would prefer to have gone down all guns blazing than that.
A progression from Southgate? Not slamming TT as such a difficult job, but not convinced. Bottom line is we never had the belief we could go toe to toe with Argentina |
Hindsight, 'tis a wonderful thing.
Who would have thought, back in 1955, that Eric Coates f****n' 'ated Leeds and of course Leicester. |  | | |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:05 - Jul 15 with 2054 views | Hunterhoop |
It was a tactical f*ck up from Tuchel. There is no other narrative.
2 midfielders and defender off for 3 defenders. A tired Kane, Bellingham, and Rogers dropping into midfielder with an exhausted Anderson. O’Neill as an auxiliary left back, Konsa, who had been a first choice CB, at RB in a back 5. We were in a 550 shape with 6 defenders on the pitch trying to see out the game. No out ball. No pace. No one able to get us up the pitch or keep us there. Two subs left unmade.
Argentina offered so little before we went 1 up.
Just keep your shape. Keep the ball. Keep trying to play.
Tuchel changed that with his subs. Not the players. They react to the message those subs change. It’s on him.
And what’s more annoying is you could see the changes weren’t working in time. And he didn’t react to that either. The goals were coming. |  | | |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:09 - Jul 15 with 2013 views | LowerloftLad |
He should be immediately sacked after tonight's performance.
Brought in for his tactics? Made the exact same mistakes Southgate did. |  |
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| England Thread 🏴 on 23:11 - Jul 15 with 1985 views | supahoopsa |
PATHETIC from England, go a goal up and then sit back and defend.
Messi played the same short corner three times before they scored their first and we did nothing to stop it.
Anyone watching that game could see what was coming.
Severely pissed off with that performance |  |
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| England Thread 🏴 on 23:11 - Jul 15 with 1972 views | Match82 |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:05 - Jul 15 by Hunterhoop |
It was a tactical f*ck up from Tuchel. There is no other narrative.
2 midfielders and defender off for 3 defenders. A tired Kane, Bellingham, and Rogers dropping into midfielder with an exhausted Anderson. O’Neill as an auxiliary left back, Konsa, who had been a first choice CB, at RB in a back 5. We were in a 550 shape with 6 defenders on the pitch trying to see out the game. No out ball. No pace. No one able to get us up the pitch or keep us there. Two subs left unmade.
Argentina offered so little before we went 1 up.
Just keep your shape. Keep the ball. Keep trying to play.
Tuchel changed that with his subs. Not the players. They react to the message those subs change. It’s on him.
And what’s more annoying is you could see the changes weren’t working in time. And he didn’t react to that either. The goals were coming. |
His post match comments are going to condemn him.
Absolute arrogance. Refuses to say he made a mistake, pivots to saying millions of other [armchair] coaches who know better.
That'll land well. English media well known for taking that kind of arrogance well |  | | |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:12 - Jul 15 with 1969 views | Stainrod |
| England Thread 🏴 on 22:31 - Jul 15 by PlanetHonneywood |
No outlet once AG went off for Konsa. Even if he'd moved RJ into midfield we might have had someting to close them down with outside the box.
When they hit the post twice and we carried on with the Paul Hart stuff, it was inevitable. We made the Argies' job way easier than we should have! |
Purely on performance at the time maybe taking off Kane - who was blowing out of his backside and didn’t do a huge amount most of the game, the goal build up aside - and (controversial I appreciate) even Bellingham, might have gone better. Maybe Rice was done but once he went off we fell apart.
terrible subs really | | | |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:12 - Jul 15 with 1958 views | thame_hoops |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:12 - Jul 15 by Stainrod |
Purely on performance at the time maybe taking off Kane - who was blowing out of his backside and didn’t do a huge amount most of the game, the goal build up aside - and (controversial I appreciate) even Bellingham, might have gone better. Maybe Rice was done but once he went off we fell apart.
terrible subs really |
exactly what we all said. im so mad, they were there for the taking. Arg completely deserve that win. urgh |  |
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| England Thread 🏴 on 23:13 - Jul 15 with 1948 views | ted_hendrix |
| England Thread 🏴 on 22:55 - Jul 15 by numptydumpty |
Hey if we still wanted to try to win the game but still bring a defender on, could have brought on a right back such as Trent but we only had Chalobaoh left.
A very stubborn manager that stuck to his gameplan, despite it being so so obvious that it was going to fail and bringing on Rashford and Toney on in the 95th minute.
Mmmm
They would have got two or three goals in extra time too.
Taking off Gordon and Declan Rice and Bringing on Konsa and O'Reilly idiocy... [Post edited 15 Jul 22:58]
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Declan Rice had been I'll during the week and he looked I'll when he was subbed, he's just the player you need on the pitch for 90 minutes+ when your defending a lead. |  |
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| England Thread 🏴 on 23:15 - Jul 15 with 1935 views | PhilmyRs |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:05 - Jul 15 by Hunterhoop |
It was a tactical f*ck up from Tuchel. There is no other narrative.
2 midfielders and defender off for 3 defenders. A tired Kane, Bellingham, and Rogers dropping into midfielder with an exhausted Anderson. O’Neill as an auxiliary left back, Konsa, who had been a first choice CB, at RB in a back 5. We were in a 550 shape with 6 defenders on the pitch trying to see out the game. No out ball. No pace. No one able to get us up the pitch or keep us there. Two subs left unmade.
Argentina offered so little before we went 1 up.
Just keep your shape. Keep the ball. Keep trying to play.
Tuchel changed that with his subs. Not the players. They react to the message those subs change. It’s on him.
And what’s more annoying is you could see the changes weren’t working in time. And he didn’t react to that either. The goals were coming. |
Sums it up perfectly. A manager coated for being defensive (Southgate), has just been outdone by Tuchel in terms of reverting to a negative, defensive approach. We had better players tonight, they had a better manager. What a wasted opportunity. | | | |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:17 - Jul 15 with 1902 views | perpignanR |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:13 - Jul 15 by ted_hendrix |
Declan Rice had been I'll during the week and he looked I'll when he was subbed, he's just the player you need on the pitch for 90 minutes+ when your defending a lead. |
Stop talking commonsense please Ted. It won’t go well. | | | |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:23 - Jul 15 with 1841 views | thame_hoops |
the Argies celebrating with a Malvinas flag is just insulting and Fifa need to step in | |
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| England Thread 🏴 on 23:25 - Jul 15 with 1815 views | numptydumpty |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:13 - Jul 15 by ted_hendrix |
Declan Rice had been I'll during the week and he looked I'll when he was subbed, he's just the player you need on the pitch for 90 minutes+ when your defending a lead. |
Yea but he brought on Oreilly for Rice, why not Mainoo.
Daft as a...
Even Eze [Post edited 15 Jul 23:26]
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| England Thread 🏴 on 23:30 - Jul 15 with 1733 views | bosh67 |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:13 - Jul 15 by ted_hendrix |
Declan Rice had been I'll during the week and he looked I'll when he was subbed, he's just the player you need on the pitch for 90 minutes+ when your defending a lead. |
Yup. Rice for want of a better phrase is the glue in that midfield. I think Tuchel had got it spot on until tonight and at 1 up you need to either put the foot on the throat and bring on the likes of Rashford and make them think about leaving their defenders back. This was the alamo and we conceded both attack and midfield for an 18 yard 10 man block... for half an hour. They hit the post twice, Pickford made a worldie save, Spence saved a certain goal. It was inevitable. For once we probably needed to swamp the midfield and break them up 35-40 yards out and break on them.
But... we'll always have Mexico. The best performance I've seen from an England team in my lifetime. |  |
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| England Thread 🏴 on 23:31 - Jul 15 with 1732 views | Northernr |
Southgate would have got absolutely annihilated for what just happened there. |  | | |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:32 - Jul 15 with 1722 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:12 - Jul 15 by Stainrod |
Purely on performance at the time maybe taking off Kane - who was blowing out of his backside and didn’t do a huge amount most of the game, the goal build up aside - and (controversial I appreciate) even Bellingham, might have gone better. Maybe Rice was done but once he went off we fell apart.
terrible subs really |
Kane did very little since Ghana to be fair .This game was crying out for Watkins with his pace he would have dragged Argentina back but it looks like TT does not rate him and thats stupid .
In his defence Burns, Stones and that back 5 held Mexico out and it looked like that would work tonight.
Pickford was excellent all night but should have got gloves on that equalizer IMO.
The fact England lost on a cross is just bizzare they looked airtight on crosses all Tournament.
England got to the Semi Final because 2 or 3 teams did not kill them off with a second goal they fell into that trap tonight its a bitter pill.
Once Argentina got level they went for the kill and probably were worthy winners |  | | |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:33 - Jul 15 with 1714 views | CamberleyR |
Out of the three semi finals and two finals I've seen us in (not counting '66 as still in nappies), I think this one ranks as a bigger disappointment than even the finals. For an hour we had nullified Argentina who had hardly laid a glove on us up till we scored. I really thought I was going to be seeing us in a World Cup final.
As Rooney mentioned on the telly, after scoring, why not man mark Messi, take him out of it so it's 10v10 for the last third of the game?
Rashford and Saka were the first subs needed because in full back positions Argentina really weren't that good. |  |
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| England Thread 🏴 on 23:34 - Jul 15 with 1704 views | Northernr |
Compare how Spain approached a 1-0 lead in a semi-final against a supposedly superior, dangerous team last night. | | | |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:43 - Jul 15 with 1590 views | numptydumpty |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:34 - Jul 15 by Northernr |
Compare how Spain approached a 1-0 lead in a semi-final against a supposedly superior, dangerous team last night. |
Tbf I think we lack world class quality in our defence.
For me, this World Cup, Pickford has performed heroics and i was never 100% sure about him but i think he has had an exceptional tournament.
When we brought on so many defenders tonight, they all got in each others way. Messi had freedom when both Spence and O'Reilly were both left backs and then we had Burn, Konsa, Guehi and Stones, you could see when the subs were made they were confused which had which role exactly.
They were all pointing in different directions.
Calamity Thomas.. [Post edited 15 Jul 23:44]
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| England Thread 🏴 on 23:43 - Jul 15 with 1594 views | sevenhoop |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:34 - Jul 15 by Northernr |
Compare how Spain approached a 1-0 lead in a semi-final against a supposedly superior, dangerous team last night. |
Yet another manager of England bottled it. Simple as. Go out in glory ffs, not like that |  | | |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:45 - Jul 15 with 1577 views | Stainrod |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:34 - Jul 15 by Northernr |
Compare how Spain approached a 1-0 lead in a semi-final against a supposedly superior, dangerous team last night. |
Two apparently very good managers have not believed in England.
Was their lack of faith correct?
Guess that will be the question.
And more crucially, how can we dominate a midfield? | | | |
| England Thread 🏴 on 23:51 - Jul 15 with 1533 views | NorthantsHoop |
Oh dear England, went ahead went all passive and defensive and Argentina started playing proper football after all their dark arts mucking around in the first half. It was almost like watching Rangers against Wrexham and Derby at home last season. The Argies are World Cup holders for a reason and they proved it in the last period of this game, their subs and play stepped up, we wilted and hoped to hold on. I do find Enzo Fernandes an annoying Chelsea cxxt and it had to be him who scored their equaliser. England are a good international team, but tonight proves we are not a great one and we are probably reaching the level within the confines of our ability. Spain will be a different proposition for Argentina they are solid and improving. [Post edited 15 Jul 23:52]
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