| January transfer rumours 12:28 - Dec 14 with 63290 views | Third_Division_South |
Probably time to start this with this
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| January transfer rumours on 09:36 - Jan 7 with 3329 views | Northernr |
| January transfer rumours on 09:34 - Jan 7 by TK1 |
It's QPR. Of course they'll sign players. Has there been a window in memory they haven't?
They would've anyway but injuries down the spine of the first team make it inevitable now, surely, especially at CB if Morrison and JCS are out longterm (again). Smith sounds good on paper, but let's see how we really feel if Dunne/Cook are out at any point soon too and we're playing with him and Mbengue in the middle with, I dunno, Morgan at RB.
I expect at least one marquee signing - probably a CB - plus a few loans in and out. |
Jimmy getting injured now would be... suboptimal. I think he's been our best player over Christmas. |  | | |
| January transfer rumours on 09:38 - Jan 7 with 3304 views | mart_Goblin |
| January transfer rumours on 08:46 - Jan 7 by dmm |
According to WhoScored, Mbengue's successful passing stat is 79.7% over the season, placing him the 4th best passer in the squad. [Post edited 7 Jan 8:47]
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Hmmm .
Fair enough .
But what ‘stats’ don’t show you is how many of his passes reached their target but were uncontrollable for the recipient or the recipient got a toe to them (technically a completed pass) but lost it immediately as a) the pass was bobbled or fizzed into them or perhaps their touch and control isn’t good enough either .
As for being a league 2 footballer , maybe that’s a little harsh so apologies .
But still people are not making the difference between what I said ,that he’s a decent championship defender . Just not a great ‘footballer’ .
There is a difference.
A runaway speedboat would cause a ‘threat’ going forward . But it would still have the ball control of a runaway speedboat .
Anyway , Slightly flippant remarks admittedly in hindsight and he is certainly still young and learning the division so got to give him the same time and leeway as Kone and Burrell so point taken .
Just what I see with my own eyes [Post edited 7 Jan 9:41]
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| January transfer rumours on 10:43 - Jan 7 with 2925 views | lassel |
| January transfer rumours on 00:53 - Jan 3 by aston_hoop |
I mentioned Castledine in the summer because at that point, Chelsea were willing to let him leave on a permanent deal and he sounded exactly like the kind of player we would try to sign under the current regime. Not sure if we could still nab him permanently now, but why not I guess! |
We asked about Castledine and Deivid Washington the January we got Frey and Anderson and were quoted a cray loan fee so left it.
Castledine looks a very promising player who we could do a lot worse than taking a punt on. | | | |
| January transfer rumours on 10:51 - Jan 7 with 2895 views | tonyQPR |
So then on a January transfer rumours thread we seem to be, 50/50 on whether Mbengue is actually any good or not 🤦♂️🤷
I think he’s one off the brighter stars this season in this mad team of ours.
Obviously people’s Dry january isn’t going all that well lol 😂 | | | |
| January transfer rumours on 11:28 - Jan 7 with 2703 views | WestbourneR |
| January transfer rumours on 09:38 - Jan 7 by mart_Goblin |
Hmmm .
Fair enough .
But what ‘stats’ don’t show you is how many of his passes reached their target but were uncontrollable for the recipient or the recipient got a toe to them (technically a completed pass) but lost it immediately as a) the pass was bobbled or fizzed into them or perhaps their touch and control isn’t good enough either .
As for being a league 2 footballer , maybe that’s a little harsh so apologies .
But still people are not making the difference between what I said ,that he’s a decent championship defender . Just not a great ‘footballer’ .
There is a difference.
A runaway speedboat would cause a ‘threat’ going forward . But it would still have the ball control of a runaway speedboat .
Anyway , Slightly flippant remarks admittedly in hindsight and he is certainly still young and learning the division so got to give him the same time and leeway as Kone and Burrell so point taken .
Just what I see with my own eyes [Post edited 7 Jan 9:41]
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So you’re disregarding stats now based on your ‘eyes’
My ‘eyes’ don’t agree. Nor do the stats. Nor do his performances this season by consensus.
But it’s clearly a hill you’re gonna die on so let’s leave it there. |  |
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| January transfer rumours on 11:33 - Jan 7 with 2672 views | mart_Goblin |
| January transfer rumours on 11:28 - Jan 7 by WestbourneR |
So you’re disregarding stats now based on your ‘eyes’
My ‘eyes’ don’t agree. Nor do the stats. Nor do his performances this season by consensus.
But it’s clearly a hill you’re gonna die on so let’s leave it there. |
Why are you getting so upset ?
It’s just a difference of opinion and one i’ve back tracked on a bit and apologised for being overly harsh . I said in my original post I thought he was a decent championship defender.
We can have a slight difference of opinion can’t we?
Or is that now not allowed? | | | |
| January transfer rumours on 11:50 - Jan 7 with 2557 views | Superhoops2808 |
Sorry Mart - Respect your post, but I too think Mbengue is a great discovery in the RB position and he's way above a L2 player. Yes, he sometimes gets caught in possession and has to bust a lung to get back but at least he does it rather than just give up. And if you watch, opposition players back off him because they never know when he will burst forward.
Playing him in CB makes him more vulnerable because if he does burst forward and gets caught out there is a huge gap to fill and if your RB too has gone forward you are cattled. He has had virtually no bookings since playing as RB too which is a positive too
I would say him and Burrell have been the signings of the season so far. |  | | |
| January transfer rumours on 12:02 - Jan 7 with 2499 views | mart_Goblin |
| January transfer rumours on 11:50 - Jan 7 by Superhoops2808 |
Sorry Mart - Respect your post, but I too think Mbengue is a great discovery in the RB position and he's way above a L2 player. Yes, he sometimes gets caught in possession and has to bust a lung to get back but at least he does it rather than just give up. And if you watch, opposition players back off him because they never know when he will burst forward.
Playing him in CB makes him more vulnerable because if he does burst forward and gets caught out there is a huge gap to fill and if your RB too has gone forward you are cattled. He has had virtually no bookings since playing as RB too which is a positive too
I would say him and Burrell have been the signings of the season so far. |
Absolutely no need to apologise .
As I said , we should be able to discuss / debate without getting angry.
Will also point out that I said twice that I liked him . Don’t expect people to agree with me either .
Just how I see it | | | |
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| January transfer rumours on 12:21 - Jan 7 with 2355 views | 1BobbyHazell |
Decision making aside, I think the Mbengue thing is the inconsistency caused by his balance.
His speed, strength and even agility (to some extent) are much better than his balance. It's why he sometimes has the Bambi on Ice look. Like a Ferrari with Skoda steering!
It can affect the consistency of his clearances (mishits, shanks a few) because his standing leg could be put down anywhere, creating issues for his swinging leg. Especially when he's just had to charge over to get there.
Same with his passes, he has the ability but consistency is tricky with the unbalanced footwork.
Same thing applies to the inconsistency of his crosses, we (and he!) never know if it's going to be an Alexander Arnold whipped undefendable or take someone's head off in Row P. The variations are extreme. He has the tools to do the former but again his balance means his standing leg can get planted anywhere creating wild variations for his swinging leg to do.
Dribbling too, think of some of his great storms down the wing, when out of the blue the 4th or 5th touch is Quite A Nice Penalty (© Clive) and we're all looking through our fingers praying he doesn't fly in over the top to 'recover' the situation! His balance not being able to maintain itself with all that speed and agility.
I love him, just be clear, his pace, engine, determined defending, self belief and permanent 'giving a f*ck' are brilliant. Young and still learning the league.
He's great fun and I love the fact he's the polar opposite of the steady 7/10 Championship left back. |  | | |
| January transfer rumours on 12:41 - Jan 7 with 2264 views | Superhoops2808 |
| January transfer rumours on 12:21 - Jan 7 by 1BobbyHazell |
Decision making aside, I think the Mbengue thing is the inconsistency caused by his balance.
His speed, strength and even agility (to some extent) are much better than his balance. It's why he sometimes has the Bambi on Ice look. Like a Ferrari with Skoda steering!
It can affect the consistency of his clearances (mishits, shanks a few) because his standing leg could be put down anywhere, creating issues for his swinging leg. Especially when he's just had to charge over to get there.
Same with his passes, he has the ability but consistency is tricky with the unbalanced footwork.
Same thing applies to the inconsistency of his crosses, we (and he!) never know if it's going to be an Alexander Arnold whipped undefendable or take someone's head off in Row P. The variations are extreme. He has the tools to do the former but again his balance means his standing leg can get planted anywhere creating wild variations for his swinging leg to do.
Dribbling too, think of some of his great storms down the wing, when out of the blue the 4th or 5th touch is Quite A Nice Penalty (© Clive) and we're all looking through our fingers praying he doesn't fly in over the top to 'recover' the situation! His balance not being able to maintain itself with all that speed and agility.
I love him, just be clear, his pace, engine, determined defending, self belief and permanent 'giving a f*ck' are brilliant. Young and still learning the league.
He's great fun and I love the fact he's the polar opposite of the steady 7/10 Championship left back. |
In a nutshell - THIS:
I love him, just be clear, his pace, engine, determined defending, self belief and permanent 'giving a f*ck' are brilliant. Young and still learning the league.
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| January transfer rumours on 13:38 - Jan 7 with 1962 views | Lblock |
Mbenge and Ferrari in same sentence not something I ever thought I'd see!!
I'm very much warming to him as a RB -- he really was a dive in liability in the middle of the park though.
Back on thread though - consensus seems to be we only need "cover".
I'd disagree.
We need more reliability and quality in key areas.
Goalkeeper - nuff said.
CB - if the Saffer isn't deemed as one to step up then welcome to the party Ronnie Edwards (you gorgeous b'stard) - JCS simply ccannot be relied on and Cookie is sadly showing creaks and cracks and will be gone in May. Add now for the future is what I say.
FULL BACKS - I'd say Mad Ben and Jimmy (with Morgan) covers RB adequately.... Ronnie also okay there IF we get him. The LB spot much more of a concern. RND is a real steady eddie but not robust enough in terms of reliability for 3 game weeks etc - probably on big wages as well. Esky I'm not impressed with and I don't feel he has the right attitude at all but that is based on very little. This is a position we need two players for, one to drop straight in and one to be a supporting cast member. It's odd as my understanding was Vale was signed with an eye on this position but appears not.
CM - if Chair not the answer in there then we need another progressive player. I was hoping Alfie Tuck would have a spurt season and develop well somewhere as I liked what I saw of him; doesn't seem to be happening.
I'm sort of writing off Harvey Vale as been unimpressed myself.
This Castledine chap seems to tick boxes from what I've read and I didn't realise he's on loan at Hudds - depends on a deal to be done as with any player I suppose.
Striker - this is the most interesting for me and all depends on offloading Frey and/or Celar. As I've said elsewhere I'd wish Frey all the best and Celar I'd want shot of soon as and look to erase the total waste of money from the memory banks soon as.
If Burrell injury is short term then look to add just the one player here but ideally two if both the aformentioned go. Who? How? No idea... over to the Head of Performative Acts for that.
It's the toughest position to fill and sadly yet again we don't seem to have a young prospect coming through unless Bennie can step up.
All the above could/should be spread over two windows.
Anyone we add on loan this season should be with something in place with an iption to buy and I stress option not obligation.
The other real shame is that I cannot see us shifting anyone for a profit which is an abject failure of those in the seat overseeing these things at the moment.
Edit - forgot the full back spots!!! [Post edited 7 Jan 14:56]
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| January transfer rumours on 13:45 - Jan 7 with 1930 views | TheChef |
| January transfer rumours on 13:38 - Jan 7 by Lblock |
Mbenge and Ferrari in same sentence not something I ever thought I'd see!!
I'm very much warming to him as a RB -- he really was a dive in liability in the middle of the park though.
Back on thread though - consensus seems to be we only need "cover".
I'd disagree.
We need more reliability and quality in key areas.
Goalkeeper - nuff said.
CB - if the Saffer isn't deemed as one to step up then welcome to the party Ronnie Edwards (you gorgeous b'stard) - JCS simply ccannot be relied on and Cookie is sadly showing creaks and cracks and will be gone in May. Add now for the future is what I say.
FULL BACKS - I'd say Mad Ben and Jimmy (with Morgan) covers RB adequately.... Ronnie also okay there IF we get him. The LB spot much more of a concern. RND is a real steady eddie but not robust enough in terms of reliability for 3 game weeks etc - probably on big wages as well. Esky I'm not impressed with and I don't feel he has the right attitude at all but that is based on very little. This is a position we need two players for, one to drop straight in and one to be a supporting cast member. It's odd as my understanding was Vale was signed with an eye on this position but appears not.
CM - if Chair not the answer in there then we need another progressive player. I was hoping Alfie Tuck would have a spurt season and develop well somewhere as I liked what I saw of him; doesn't seem to be happening.
I'm sort of writing off Harvey Vale as been unimpressed myself.
This Castledine chap seems to tick boxes from what I've read and I didn't realise he's on loan at Hudds - depends on a deal to be done as with any player I suppose.
Striker - this is the most interesting for me and all depends on offloading Frey and/or Celar. As I've said elsewhere I'd wish Frey all the best and Celar I'd want shot of soon as and look to erase the total waste of money from the memory banks soon as.
If Burrell injury is short term then look to add just the one player here but ideally two if both the aformentioned go. Who? How? No idea... over to the Head of Performative Acts for that.
It's the toughest position to fill and sadly yet again we don't seem to have a young prospect coming through unless Bennie can step up.
All the above could/should be spread over two windows.
Anyone we add on loan this season should be with something in place with an iption to buy and I stress option not obligation.
The other real shame is that I cannot see us shifting anyone for a profit which is an abject failure of those in the seat overseeing these things at the moment.
Edit - forgot the full back spots!!! [Post edited 7 Jan 14:56]
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When you put it that way Edwards really is a must have if we can still get him (and as we saw v Leeds he can do a decent job in midfield too). I'm just confused as to how we actually afford him, is it the magic money tree again? |  |
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| January transfer rumours on 14:25 - Jan 7 with 1721 views | BklynRanger |
Not many rumours on this rumours thread
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| January transfer rumours on 14:38 - Jan 7 with 1656 views | WestbourneR |
| January transfer rumours on 11:33 - Jan 7 by mart_Goblin |
Why are you getting so upset ?
It’s just a difference of opinion and one i’ve back tracked on a bit and apologised for being overly harsh . I said in my original post I thought he was a decent championship defender.
We can have a slight difference of opinion can’t we?
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Fair enough mate but your responses earlier irritated me re ‘we’re watching a different player’ etc like I didn’t know what I was talking about re passing - and then when a slew of both stats and opinions backed me up you started questioning the foundation of stats. Which felt a bit desperate. So yeah, felt you were a bit dismissive and then pedantic about the evidence to the contrary.
But agree it’s just an opinion. That’s what it’s all about anyway.
On the wider point. We desperately need a quality goalkeeper and a proper left back we own and can rely on. The two squad priorities by a country mile for me. | |
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| January transfer rumours on 14:48 - Jan 7 with 1574 views | R_from_afar |
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this rumour yet. He's a centre back who can also play as a full back, apparently:
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| January transfer rumours on 14:59 - Jan 7 with 1499 views | 7374Ranger |
| January transfer rumours on 12:21 - Jan 6 by derbyhoop |
How many opportunities is he going to get with us this season.? As far as I can tell, he's behind, Smyth, Poku, Dembele, Saito and Chair. L1 would be good for his development.
Seems a very sensible option to me - unless they want him as cover for our only 2 fit strikers (Kone and Kolli. If Frey is fit, I haven't seen any evidence). Unless there is a break clause on Alfie Lloyd's Orient loan. |
Agree with most of this, but if Lloyd can't get a game at Leyton Orient I don't think he will be any use to QPR this season | | | |
| January transfer rumours on 15:03 - Jan 7 with 1461 views | R_from_afar |
Elsewhere, a former R has found a new club, Universidad de Chile. Remember Eduardo Vargas? | |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| January transfer rumours on 15:09 - Jan 7 with 1426 views | flynnbo |
And ex-R, Gary O'Neill has replaced Liam Rosenior (son of ex-R) at Strasbourg. |  | | |
| January transfer rumours on 15:12 - Jan 7 with 1386 views | BklynRanger |
| January transfer rumours on 15:03 - Jan 7 by R_from_afar |
Elsewhere, a former R has found a new club, Universidad de Chile. Remember Eduardo Vargas? |
They play in blue and white - often with one solitary hoop sadly, but I've got one of their scarfs and it's nicely hooped.
Good loyalty there Eduardo.
(Edit, sorry I'm realising this response is not a rumour either...) [Post edited 7 Jan 15:15]
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| January transfer rumours on 15:20 - Jan 7 with 1332 views | mart_Goblin |
| January transfer rumours on 14:38 - Jan 7 by WestbourneR |
Fair enough mate but your responses earlier irritated me re ‘we’re watching a different player’ etc like I didn’t know what I was talking about re passing - and then when a slew of both stats and opinions backed me up you started questioning the foundation of stats. Which felt a bit desperate. So yeah, felt you were a bit dismissive and then pedantic about the evidence to the contrary.
But agree it’s just an opinion. That’s what it’s all about anyway.
On the wider point. We desperately need a quality goalkeeper and a proper left back we own and can rely on. The two squad priorities by a country mile for me. |
Ok mate . Wasn’t meant to come across that way. Was just trying to express my point . | | | |
| January transfer rumours on 15:31 - Jan 7 with 1211 views | Beejnewark |
| January transfer rumours on 15:03 - Jan 7 by R_from_afar |
Elsewhere, a former R has found a new club, Universidad de Chile. Remember Eduardo Vargas? |
Quite liked him and Isla, tbh. Certainly were worse shirt fillers in those years. | | | |
| January transfer rumours on 15:40 - Jan 7 with 1149 views | kensalriser |
| January transfer rumours on 06:31 - Jan 7 by Rsole |
There’s plenty of data out there on estimated salaries and it’s fairly logical that if you were playing in the premiership previously those salaries mostly remain in place, even if you drop down a level as RND did.
There’s also data on contract lengths too - whether or not you believe it is another matter but the people who publish the data, most likely also sell it to the clubs for analysis. That’s how they make money - data products.
Back to RND’s wages, It’s not going to be huge compared with a current prem player but he’s going to be one of the highest paid in our team and that blocks two others on half the salary coming in. You could probably get two Paal(s) for the same wages as an example, hence why we look to other markets. As to who pays RND whilst he’s here, that’s down to another agreement between the clubs. The more they wanted to loan him, the more they contribute and vice versa. We were pretty desperate at the time, so we probably pay a considerable %
I would expect that this is why the club was so pissy when Cook extended his contract under whatever option he had negotiated. It takes two parties to make an agreement, so I don’t blame Cook for doing that - after all, he probably wouldn’t have come to QPR if the extension clause hadn’t been in his contract or the salary wasn’t close to what he was earning previously because he won’t get that again elsewhere at his age. Fortunately for us, he’s mostly available, professional and performant - for his age.
As for Richards, who knows who paid him but he would have got his salary under the contract terms. I expect we paid most of it give the size of club he went to. Contractually obliged to pay him unless otherwise agreed. |
Maybe we're at cross purposes here.
Whatever a player is being paid by his home club - which he'll be getting regardless of where or whether he's playing - is immaterial to the loanee club. I'm sure there are exceptions but generally a club borrowing a player from a higher division is not going to be paying the full whack where the player's wages are commensurate with his home club's level. So, I would be astonished if a club in QPR's position re P&S is paying prem level wages for anyone. It's just not credible - as you concede re Richards.
As for the 'data', it's not data it's speculation. It might be accurate, it might not, the point is it can't be relied on, so it has no use in a cogent argument. |  |
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| January transfer rumours on 16:02 - Jan 7 with 1022 views | derbyhoop |
| January transfer rumours on 14:59 - Jan 7 by 7374Ranger |
Agree with most of this, but if Lloyd can't get a game at Leyton Orient I don't think he will be any use to QPR this season |
Hard to argue with that assessment. However, he is a striker and he is already ours. The alternatives seem to be
1 Keep Frey
2. Recall Celar from Dusseldorf
3. Promote from DS, e.g. Dillon, Vaughan, Hassan, Sanyaolu
4. Struggle on with Kone and Kolli until Burrell is fit
5. Use Smyth, Saito or 1 of the other midgets as a striker. Because that worked so well last season, I.e. WBA away
6. Try to loan/buy another striker for peanuts.
No 4 seems the only acceptable choice, but we'd probably need to go back to 4-2-3-1 |  |
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| January transfer rumours on 16:07 - Jan 7 with 989 views | Rsole |
| January transfer rumours on 15:40 - Jan 7 by kensalriser |
Maybe we're at cross purposes here.
Whatever a player is being paid by his home club - which he'll be getting regardless of where or whether he's playing - is immaterial to the loanee club. I'm sure there are exceptions but generally a club borrowing a player from a higher division is not going to be paying the full whack where the player's wages are commensurate with his home club's level. So, I would be astonished if a club in QPR's position re P&S is paying prem level wages for anyone. It's just not credible - as you concede re Richards.
As for the 'data', it's not data it's speculation. It might be accurate, it might not, the point is it can't be relied on, so it has no use in a cogent argument. |
Maybe we are - Kensal.
I think we can probably agree that we are paying 100% of Cook’s wages and they appear to be the highest at the club by some distance - apparently. It’s not a loan deal.
What % we contribute as part of any loan deal is down to the two clubs to agree on when it’s contracted. As well as the number of games they should play, what pants they can wear and who they can swap stickers with.
With Richards we wanted him gone, so I guess we paid most to get rid for a while. With RND we were desperate for cover, so I guess we paid more. Do I know for sure what we paid (or not), no.
Do I think RND’s total salary is based on a premiership wage - yes, because that’s what his contract was based on last year, which would make some of the data out there credible (and consistent) and if it’s published by companies selling it, it’s got to be based on an element of the truth or they’d have no reason to exist because no one would buy their data, so why collect and publish it. They aren’t selling anything else and it’s a business, which are usually set up to make money - unless it’s a basket case football club :-). |  |
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| January transfer rumours on 16:27 - Jan 7 with 898 views | flynnbo |
EDB recalled from Morecambe. | | | |
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