| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 11:34 - Dec 31 with 1819 views | Paddyhoops |
Feel for Paul Smyth . You know what you get with him, effort and commitment and every now again he pulls a rabbit out of the hat .
Sadly with some of our players we know what we’re going to get .
Brilliant one week and totally of it the next .
Esqerdinah is sadly nowhere near the level of football required for this leauge.
Heading down the Santos route.
Was supposed to be at this game but illness put paid to that . Hats off to the fans who travelled.
Utterly let down by the goose laying the golden eggs, Sky .
See you all tomorrow. |  | |  |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 11:38 - Dec 31 with 1802 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Thanks Clive.
I think that's reasoned. Well done. |  |
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| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 11:45 - Dec 31 with 1749 views | francisbowles |
That's a great report Clive. Balanced and realistic. Some great laughs in there too.
Thanks for all your efforts all year and especially these last two post Christmas day.
May the two home games make life a little easier and more fun for you. | | | |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 11:45 - Dec 31 with 1743 views | colinallcars |
Thanks Clive, can't have been a pleasant day. |  | | |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 12:10 - Dec 31 with 1641 views | QPR_Hibs |
Vale was fortunate not to be on the pitch long enough to get a rating from you. |  |
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| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 12:16 - Dec 31 with 1596 views | BristolR |
Thanks Clive, another excellent report as usual, perfectly summing up my own frustrations.
Some very sketchy ball control towards the end of the game spoke to tiredness, or in Vale’s case, just wrong boots Gromit. Very curious and a tough watch
As you say, getting a bit exasperated by putting round pegs in square holes… |  | | |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 12:26 - Dec 31 with 1550 views | Brighton_R |
Agree with everything here. I get JS has to rotate in this fixture pile-up. But I'd love to see a journalist ask our gaffer in the post-match presser, what the thinking was behind playing Field in that position. He might have had some cunning innovative plan that would have been worth hearing. But he never gets asked about his baffling team selections. Of course, that Tyler kid can't really do it on behalf of the club website. But there must be a clued-in journo who could ask about that and the non-use of Smyth. Maddeningly frustrating not to hear his thinking. Get yourself a press pass, Clive, sneak in at the back and keep asking. It'd be more entertaining than any of our away performances | | | |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 12:32 - Dec 31 with 1516 views | Philothesuperhoop |
Thanks Clive, spot on!
I’m still feeling the benefit of the ‘chill pill’ you told me to take post Portsmouth, so I’m trying to take all of the West Brom utter nonsense in my stride.
However, and it is a pretty big however, if you had eight people around a pub table asking what the hell the manager was doing, then you would imagine that some of the experienced pros in the QPR group must be doing the same thing. “What the hell is he doing now?” For example.
And confidence & performance aren’t things that have an on/off switch. I’ve no doubt that he’ll pick his best available team for Norwich, but whether they are able to just turn things back on again I’m less sure. I obviously very much hope so….but knowing us as I do I fear a scrappy draw and an embarrassing defeat (in whichever order) from the next two home games and then a drunken trip across town with a huge away following with the pot about to boil over!!
My point being that the Portsmouth and WBA utter garbage aren’t items in isolation.
I hope I’m wrong. |  | | |
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| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 12:33 - Dec 31 with 1509 views | FDC |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 11:45 - Dec 31 by colinallcars |
Thanks Clive, can't have been a pleasant day. |
Yeah one of those evenings feeling pissed off watching from the comfort of my living room where you really feel for the traveling faithful, hats off to everyone of them |  | | |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 12:35 - Dec 31 with 1500 views | daveB |
To add to annoyance the game wasn't even on Sky. I switched over just before kick off and couldn't find it so had to piss about buying a stream |  | | |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 12:58 - Dec 31 with 1356 views | PhilmyRs |
Good read as always, and I get where you’re coming from, but I think there’s a lot more going on here than the write-up makes out. Paul Smyth’s lack of minutes is the biggest head-scratcher for me too, but honestly, who knows what’s happening behind the scenes? Could be contract stuff, appearance clauses, or him not wanting to talk about a new deal – all that could play a part.
Fact is, results in 3 game weeks have been awful for ages. Julien was brought in to fix that, and as you said, he’s tried different things, but nothing’s clicking. He stuck with the same XI for a couple of games and got hammered for it, then switched things up and got hammered again. Can’t win. One thing I thought was a bit harsh was the criticism over the fullbacks. Morgan himself said he’s competing with Mbangue for RB, so it’s not like Julien randomly threw a CM there as you suggest. Whether you think that’s his best spot is another debate, but the manager clearly sees him as RB cover. Personally, I think Morgan’s been unlucky – I see promise in him, good football brain, uses the ball well. I’d actually like to see him start with a fresh XI instead of being written off because he’s linked to defeats.
Biggest issue for me is the squad. RND needs his minutes managed, and we’ve got zero depth. Only one proper LB, and yeah, he’s probably not good enough, but what choice does the Manager have? Funny enough, I think Larkeche would’ve been perfect for that role – backup but still getting decent minutes, probably more than Esquerdinha.
On Madsen – despite what’s been said, against West Brom he was the only one who looked like he could use the ball properly. Felt like if anything good was going to happen, he’d be involved. Field, on the other hand, was poor – didn’t want the ball, barely played forward passes. Now you’ve not come out defending Field or anything but feels like he gets an easy ride on here, even though he gets stick on socials. For me, Field offered nothing going forward, Madsen did.
Bottom line: Julien’s trying to fix a long-standing problem. Home form’s improved, credit for that. Away form and the short turnaround of matches is next on the list. Lack of depth and trying to blood youngsters is hurting him, plus some players are way off it (Saito!). But I don’t think his decisions deserve the level of bafflement and stick he’s getting | | | |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 13:18 - Dec 31 with 1266 views | Northernr |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 12:58 - Dec 31 by PhilmyRs |
Good read as always, and I get where you’re coming from, but I think there’s a lot more going on here than the write-up makes out. Paul Smyth’s lack of minutes is the biggest head-scratcher for me too, but honestly, who knows what’s happening behind the scenes? Could be contract stuff, appearance clauses, or him not wanting to talk about a new deal – all that could play a part.
Fact is, results in 3 game weeks have been awful for ages. Julien was brought in to fix that, and as you said, he’s tried different things, but nothing’s clicking. He stuck with the same XI for a couple of games and got hammered for it, then switched things up and got hammered again. Can’t win. One thing I thought was a bit harsh was the criticism over the fullbacks. Morgan himself said he’s competing with Mbangue for RB, so it’s not like Julien randomly threw a CM there as you suggest. Whether you think that’s his best spot is another debate, but the manager clearly sees him as RB cover. Personally, I think Morgan’s been unlucky – I see promise in him, good football brain, uses the ball well. I’d actually like to see him start with a fresh XI instead of being written off because he’s linked to defeats.
Biggest issue for me is the squad. RND needs his minutes managed, and we’ve got zero depth. Only one proper LB, and yeah, he’s probably not good enough, but what choice does the Manager have? Funny enough, I think Larkeche would’ve been perfect for that role – backup but still getting decent minutes, probably more than Esquerdinha.
On Madsen – despite what’s been said, against West Brom he was the only one who looked like he could use the ball properly. Felt like if anything good was going to happen, he’d be involved. Field, on the other hand, was poor – didn’t want the ball, barely played forward passes. Now you’ve not come out defending Field or anything but feels like he gets an easy ride on here, even though he gets stick on socials. For me, Field offered nothing going forward, Madsen did.
Bottom line: Julien’s trying to fix a long-standing problem. Home form’s improved, credit for that. Away form and the short turnaround of matches is next on the list. Lack of depth and trying to blood youngsters is hurting him, plus some players are way off it (Saito!). But I don’t think his decisions deserve the level of bafflement and stick he’s getting |
Some good points mate and I appreciate the thoughtful response.
Field perhaps I lean towards because the stick he gets on socials is just so completely over the top it annoys me.
Agree on the point about the squad. As I said in the report it had issues at full back and CM last year and it still does. It's put the manager in quite a difficult position.
And agree with the last paragraph completely, apart from the 'level of stick' because I think I've gone out of the way to give Stephan the benefit of the doubt as a new manager in a new league at a very difficult club to manage. But I do think this was a bit of a mess. |  | | |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 13:41 - Dec 31 with 1155 views | NorthantsHoop |
Great report sums up all that is QPR, hopefully through chaos comes some sort of order, well more likely at least at home. I know it sounds bad, but I sort of write off these away non-performances and with renewed hope of what I am now watching at Loftus Road a team that goes for it. Let's hope the next 2 games see us at our Loftus Road best. |  | | |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 13:48 - Dec 31 with 1118 views | OldPedro |
"Not a good sign when you have to keep explaining the plot, nor when a table of eight in the pub beforehand can’t agree on what’s going on from the published script. I’ve seen Stranger Things than Sam Field starting up front, but not many."
I had the same discussion with my son when the team came out. We went from thinking it might be a back 3 of Dunne, Morrison and Field with Morgan and Esquerdinha as wing-backs, then maybe a back 4 with Dunne at right back, Field and Morrison at CB and Morgan in a midfield 3 with Saito and Poku on the wings with Kone up front. We also thought maybe the same formation but with Morgan at RB and Field in the midfield 3.
At no point did we think we were sticking with basically a 4-4-2 with Field and Kone as the pair. |  |
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| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 14:31 - Dec 31 with 946 views | Dorse |
Team selection was puzzling, at best, and the way things played out subsequently weren't a surprise to me. I think that everyone sees the necessity to rest players who have been potentially overused in this Christmas/New Year sequence but, come on, Field up top when we've got Kolli and Burrell on the bench? If Kolli is fit enough to be a replacement then stick him in and replace him later if necessary! Obviously, this comes with the caveat that I know absolutely sod all about squad fitness etc, however, by the same token, I know nothing about Art but I know what I hate!
I don't blame Stephan for playing Esquerdinha with RND's loading in mind because who else is there? Same for Morgan, though only up to a point as Cook was on the bench. But the 4 x subs at once? Come on, anyone with eyes could see that Saito wasn't cutting it, ditto Varane: hook them early and see what shakes out!
I rarely get the arse with team selection(s) but this one wound me up a bit. [Post edited 31 Dec 14:33]
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| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 14:38 - Dec 31 with 923 views | Northernr |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 14:31 - Dec 31 by Dorse |
Team selection was puzzling, at best, and the way things played out subsequently weren't a surprise to me. I think that everyone sees the necessity to rest players who have been potentially overused in this Christmas/New Year sequence but, come on, Field up top when we've got Kolli and Burrell on the bench? If Kolli is fit enough to be a replacement then stick him in and replace him later if necessary! Obviously, this comes with the caveat that I know absolutely sod all about squad fitness etc, however, by the same token, I know nothing about Art but I know what I hate!
I don't blame Stephan for playing Esquerdinha with RND's loading in mind because who else is there? Same for Morgan, though only up to a point as Cook was on the bench. But the 4 x subs at once? Come on, anyone with eyes could see that Saito wasn't cutting it, ditto Varane: hook them early and see what shakes out!
I rarely get the arse with team selection(s) but this one wound me up a bit. [Post edited 31 Dec 14:33]
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Word for word mate. | | | |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 14:44 - Dec 31 with 884 views | JPC |
Amongst all of the tactical changes, one of the ones that was really noticeable from where we were standing was that Poku was rarely wide on the right and seemed to essentially be playing in an inside forward role. It seemed very deliberate and didn’t seem to work well as it meant he was either feeding off scrappy second balls, or getting it with his back to goal, not his strength. I think it also limited our ‘out’ ball on the right. | | | |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 14:53 - Dec 31 with 845 views | Lblock |
I'm back to thinking team selection is being influenced by "others".
Exhibit A - Paul Smyth Esquire.
It'll be a tough one to argue me out that there's no correlation between his lack of minutes and current Contract posiiton.
Odd he's on the bench if that's the case granted.
Twenty games into the season I'm sorry but I'm done with giving JS any slack.
The Pompey and WBA debacles lay firmly at his door and he needs to shape up sharpish; if he's having his strings pulled then grow some boules. |  |
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| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 15:03 - Dec 31 with 803 views | mart_Goblin |
Yeah sums up mine and I presume many others’ frustration at the team selection and the regress to the mean since Leicester. Really good report . |  | | |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 15:10 - Dec 31 with 774 views | mart_Goblin |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 14:31 - Dec 31 by Dorse |
Team selection was puzzling, at best, and the way things played out subsequently weren't a surprise to me. I think that everyone sees the necessity to rest players who have been potentially overused in this Christmas/New Year sequence but, come on, Field up top when we've got Kolli and Burrell on the bench? If Kolli is fit enough to be a replacement then stick him in and replace him later if necessary! Obviously, this comes with the caveat that I know absolutely sod all about squad fitness etc, however, by the same token, I know nothing about Art but I know what I hate!
I don't blame Stephan for playing Esquerdinha with RND's loading in mind because who else is there? Same for Morgan, though only up to a point as Cook was on the bench. But the 4 x subs at once? Come on, anyone with eyes could see that Saito wasn't cutting it, ditto Varane: hook them early and see what shakes out!
I rarely get the arse with team selection(s) but this one wound me up a bit. [Post edited 31 Dec 14:33]
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Yeah spot on.
To leave that IX out there until the 72nd minute was at best , strange, at worst , incompetent.
It took most of us 72 seconds to realise that was all wrong and it needed changing.
Was messaging my son on the half hour mark that JS needed to change Esquerdinha and Saito and perhaps even Varane, and move Field back into midfield and add a forward. Possibly Smyth.. To see them all appear after half time was a bit ridiculous. | | | |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 15:17 - Dec 31 with 716 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 12:33 - Dec 31 by FDC |
Yeah one of those evenings feeling pissed off watching from the comfort of my living room where you really feel for the traveling faithful, hats off to everyone of them |
Yes, I can't imagine travelling to watch that garbage at this time of year. They really deserve massive credit and you could hear them very clearly on the stream. | | | |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 16:45 - Dec 31 with 418 views | eastside_r |
Nailed it as usual.
I was watching the stream from afar and I left early. |  | | |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 16:46 - Dec 31 with 417 views | thehat |
Thanks Clive - Great analysis on a very messy performance. Happy to give JS credit when he does well but needs to up his game on tactics and formations away from home.
Two big winnable home games now to get back on track. | | | |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 18:10 - Dec 31 with 204 views | Loyalitat |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 16:45 - Dec 31 by eastside_r |
Nailed it as usual.
I was watching the stream from afar and I left early. |
Perfectly penned as usual.
Kudos to those who continue to travel away in such numbers. It's a pity that it hasn't been matched by the performances on the field of late.
Baffling all round; from continuing to pick players who are patently out of form, non-appearances of others who are deserving of more minutes, culminating in Monday's team selection. [Post edited 31 Dec 18:26]
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:41 - Dec 31 with 122 views | welwynranger |
| Chaotic team selection, chaotic outcome as R's slip at West Brom - Report on 16:46 - Dec 31 by thehat |
Thanks Clive - Great analysis on a very messy performance. Happy to give JS credit when he does well but needs to up his game on tactics and formations away from home.
Two big winnable home games now to get back on track. |
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