| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred 19:58 - Jan 16 with 29873 views | colinallcars |
I slipped the vicar a half bottle of Jamesons earlier, so reckon we'll win this 2-1. |  | | |  |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 21:46 - Jan 17 with 1926 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 21:33 - Jan 17 by Northernr |
I agree with Simmo and echo his post. Bleak watching us shithouse and play act our way to a 0-0 at Stoke, which does what? Nothing. We actually moved further away from the play offs with that result.
But, in the interests of being positive, Jimmy Dunne was magnificent today. He’s had a great Christmas in difficult cercs. Made it his business to win every header today. I like that. |
I didn't see the match and have only just caught up with the 'highlights' on ITV4 - a Stoke shot into the side netting and that Kone chance. So yes, 0-0 is not a bad result away from home with our injury list. However, what value does a draw really have with three points for a win? I suppose morale is higher in not losing. And yes, the away support does seem to be getting thin gruel in terms of entertainment recently - our good early season away form seems a long way away. |  | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 22:06 - Jan 17 with 1811 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 21:33 - Jan 17 by Northernr |
I agree with Simmo and echo his post. Bleak watching us shithouse and play act our way to a 0-0 at Stoke, which does what? Nothing. We actually moved further away from the play offs with that result.
But, in the interests of being positive, Jimmy Dunne was magnificent today. He’s had a great Christmas in difficult cercs. Made it his business to win every header today. I like that. |
We've gone to Stoke and lost with better teams. Personally, if we can go there with a injury decimated squad and grind out a God awful 0-0 I think that is a big positive.
Too many times in the past weak QPR teams have gone to places like Stoke and rolled over. Today, it wasn't pretty, but it had grit, determination and a bit if agro. How many times haves teams like that come to Loftus Rd and we've asked why QPR can't be more like that?
We can't have it both ways. Give me that attitude and performance (defensive shape was superb) over some walk in the park 4-0 home win.
Today was about character, something we've lacked for a few seasons.
We'll lose to Oxford now. | |
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| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 22:28 - Jan 17 with 1655 views | Boston |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 22:06 - Jan 17 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
We've gone to Stoke and lost with better teams. Personally, if we can go there with a injury decimated squad and grind out a God awful 0-0 I think that is a big positive.
Too many times in the past weak QPR teams have gone to places like Stoke and rolled over. Today, it wasn't pretty, but it had grit, determination and a bit if agro. How many times haves teams like that come to Loftus Rd and we've asked why QPR can't be more like that?
We can't have it both ways. Give me that attitude and performance (defensive shape was superb) over some walk in the park 4-0 home win.
Today was about character, something we've lacked for a few seasons.
We'll lose to Oxford now. |
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| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 22:30 - Jan 17 with 1673 views | charmr |
It’s not going to happen very often that a team has that much possession and touches in the penalty area and don’t score. It’s not an attainable way to play. If they had scored all this worked hard for a point is irrelevant and a melt down on here. We have to have some sort of thinking on how we score especially from open play. What’s relevant is that performance and the philosophy attached to it ain’t no long term solution. These away games all look the same just today they didn’t score.
Personally I think our front four today could have been a handful but they were never given the ball. | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 22:41 - Jan 17 with 1629 views | plasmahoop |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 18:48 - Jan 17 by dutch |
Entertainment? As a wise football manager once said, 'if you want entertainment go to the circus". It was a point. He had a point. |
I think that was Alan Durban, the stoke manager in the late 70s. He set up with a 5-4-1, and had everyone behind the ball and in the press conference got annoyed and said that.
I don't think football has got less entertaining over the years, was always the way that the away side would set up for a point, especially in the 2 point for a win era | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 23:21 - Jan 17 with 1456 views | TK1 |
At end of the game, away at Stoke, we collected a clean sheet and a point with six players on the pitch aged 23 or under (mostly under, including two teenagers):
Walsh - 23
Mbengue - 22
Esquerdinha - 19
Bennie - 19
Adamson - 22
Kone - 22
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Kolli, 20, did 87 mins.
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Dembele, 22, did 70 minutes too.
Eight players eligible for the Development squad got that point.
Only one player was over 30, Cook, and he won't be here next season.
I know over the years we've been used to sexy, attractive, free-flowing performances at the Britannia (maybe that Eze goal in '19 spoiled us forever, erasing every previous game) but maybe our youngest team in memory grinding out a hard-fought 0-0 at the most typical "tough place to go" Championship away ground is just as substantial.
I love kids getting a gritty 0-0 away like this. Big change for the club. [Post edited 17 Jan 23:37]
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| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 23:45 - Jan 17 with 1385 views | charmr |
Gritty 0-0 draw. More like Stokes ineptitude and the ball bouncing our way for once when in the penalty area. It’s not attainable to be set up like this every away game. | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 23:46 - Jan 17 with 1384 views | mart_Goblin |
A point is a point and I’d have taken it at 3pm for sure. But our away form / set up is a little concerning right now. We dug in and defended well as a unit …but you are going to need to when you play as bad as that .
Our ball retention was as bad today as it was under Ainsworth. If you can’t string 3 passes together then all you are doing is heaping pressure on the defence .
Jimmy and Cook were tremendous today . And they needed to be.
Felt a little for Kolli and Kone. They weren’t great by any stretch but feeding on scraps is an understatement. Sinton in commentary around the 49 minute mark kind’ve sighed and uttered “the boys have to keep the ball better”.
It sounded like he had his head in his hands . 😀
Our wide players are a real issue . They didn’t create anything , they can’t pass to a team mate and they just can’t protect the ball under any circumstance. Infuriating.
Time for ‘recruitment’ to think about signing wide men that don’t have the physical presence of a 12 year old. Look at a lot of the other wide players in this league . Big, strong, quick, physical, can dribble , pass..move .
It’s basics . We have 3 or 4 who simply get bullied or marked out of the game .
Once again Ilias is simply worth his weight in gold and not included in that previous sentence.
On a positive side , as I said we defended very well, Walsh looked confident and comfortable.
And I’ve been critical of how unfit we look, but Stoke , whether they just gave up by the end or run out of ideas or steam ..they looked done in injury time and we actually started to create and find space. We finished the stronger for sure and that’s a positive .
A little word for Madsen. By no means anything special but simply has the ability to make a 10 yard pass regularly.
Like rocking horse sh*t with this lot .
A good point and clean sheet and agree we would have lost this one previously.
But before we get too excited , we have done at Derby, Norwich, West Brom this season where we have been abject recently . Rode our luck at Portsmouth too.
Just read that someone would rather watch that today than a 4-0 home win!?
Each to their own .
Not for me. [Post edited 17 Jan 23:55]
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| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 23:47 - Jan 17 with 1374 views | Myke |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 21:33 - Jan 17 by Northernr |
I agree with Simmo and echo his post. Bleak watching us shithouse and play act our way to a 0-0 at Stoke, which does what? Nothing. We actually moved further away from the play offs with that result.
But, in the interests of being positive, Jimmy Dunne was magnificent today. He’s had a great Christmas in difficult cercs. Made it his business to win every header today. I like that. |
I was fortunate enough not to have watched this one as I was otherwise occupied. But from the outside looking in, it seemed very similar to Sheffield United away (maybe it’s the kit) when the sole height of our ambition was not to lose. Some mitigating circumstances here, with our injury list and Stoke having a much better season than SU, but it must still be soul-destroying to pay to go and see. Sound like very typical mid-table fare.
Footnote - pleased for Walsh with a clean sheet | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 23:48 - Jan 17 with 1373 views | mart_Goblin |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 23:21 - Jan 17 by TK1 |
At end of the game, away at Stoke, we collected a clean sheet and a point with six players on the pitch aged 23 or under (mostly under, including two teenagers):
Walsh - 23
Mbengue - 22
Esquerdinha - 19
Bennie - 19
Adamson - 22
Kone - 22
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Kolli, 20, did 87 mins.
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Dembele, 22, did 70 minutes too.
Eight players eligible for the Development squad got that point.
Only one player was over 30, Cook, and he won't be here next season.
I know over the years we've been used to sexy, attractive, free-flowing performances at the Britannia (maybe that Eze goal in '19 spoiled us forever, erasing every previous game) but maybe our youngest team in memory grinding out a hard-fought 0-0 at the most typical "tough place to go" Championship away ground is just as substantial.
I love kids getting a gritty 0-0 away like this. Big change for the club. [Post edited 17 Jan 23:37]
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I do think this is a fair point and good post though | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 00:51 - Jan 18 with 1252 views | Metallica_Hoop |
I was working but getting updates from you guys. (cheers)
I think a draw was a good result. |  |
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| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 03:04 - Jan 18 with 1129 views | rbee |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 21:33 - Jan 17 by Northernr |
I agree with Simmo and echo his post. Bleak watching us shithouse and play act our way to a 0-0 at Stoke, which does what? Nothing. We actually moved further away from the play offs with that result.
But, in the interests of being positive, Jimmy Dunne was magnificent today. He’s had a great Christmas in difficult cercs. Made it his business to win every header today. I like that. |
Can't agree it does nothing Clive. We go to Oxford buoyed by a very hard earned point and a clean sheet from a game many were expecting us to lose.
Playoff's? Behave.
Next season, when Julien and our young squad has a year in The Championship under their belts, I am expecting an increase in consistency and a decent challenge for a play off place. |  | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 03:21 - Jan 18 with 1106 views | charmr |
How about giving us something to get excited about or at least get the blood flowing.
We never have the ball, want the ball, keep the ball or do anything with the ball creatively especially away.
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| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 07:16 - Jan 18 with 1019 views | Watford_Ranger |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 03:04 - Jan 18 by rbee |
Can't agree it does nothing Clive. We go to Oxford buoyed by a very hard earned point and a clean sheet from a game many were expecting us to lose.
Playoff's? Behave.
Next season, when Julien and our young squad has a year in The Championship under their belts, I am expecting an increase in consistency and a decent challenge for a play off place. |
Despite being pretty woeful since Leicester we’re four points off sixth. It really is still there for us (and about a dozen other teams) if we want it. We all know it won’t happen but it is.
Another positive- we didn’t get bullied when some rough challenges were going in with a referee clearly miles out of his depth allowing a game to unravel. Would’ve been a time nice, meek Rangers let it happen away from home. Dished out a bit of our own. [Post edited 18 Jan 7:48]
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| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 08:17 - Jan 18 with 925 views | TK1 |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 21:33 - Jan 17 by Northernr |
I agree with Simmo and echo his post. Bleak watching us shithouse and play act our way to a 0-0 at Stoke, which does what? Nothing. We actually moved further away from the play offs with that result.
But, in the interests of being positive, Jimmy Dunne was magnificent today. He’s had a great Christmas in difficult cercs. Made it his business to win every header today. I like that. |
What it does is it says to Joe Walsh, you can keep a clean sheet in the Championship away in a difficult game that's actually contested (unlike the beach football match at Sunderland or Coventry). That's as good as a three month loan to Macclesfield for him, and us.
It shows all those young players, like Bennie, Adamson, Esquerdinha, even Kolli, players who many QPR managers down to "bare bones" might have stuck on the bench only as a message but wouldn't dream of bringing on when Sam Field is unused, that if you train well you can play. It shows them the level required, the atmosphere you need to negotiate to get a clean sheet at Stoke. That's worth 100 PL Youth Cup wins in front 600 fans at Loftus Road.
Everyone wants a coach who is good at youth development. Well, unfortunately this is probably what it looks like at the start.
That this team, with these injuries to so many key creative and attacking players got a point at Stoke is plenty. You predicted a 2-0 defeat, let us not forget. Would that been better if we'd 20% more possession? Last year, we went there also with injuries but stuck to our style, got beat 3-1 and were lucky it wasn't heavier. Would that have been better?
This is not the season we get in the play-offs, nobody predicted that. Not you, not me. And yet, we still can. A point at Stoke in Jan when every first name attacker bar one is injured does not derail that. Bank this. See how the run-in in pans out when players return. But this puts plenty in the tank for seasons to come. | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 08:25 - Jan 18 with 881 views | Gus_iom |
Two good games for Walsh, and he's shown a bit of character too.
Nice not to have Stoke dropping balls in the 6 yard box as well - with a more physically dominant keeper it's not only about what he does, its also about what the opposition don't do. | |
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| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 08:27 - Jan 18 with 870 views | dutch |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 08:17 - Jan 18 by TK1 |
What it does is it says to Joe Walsh, you can keep a clean sheet in the Championship away in a difficult game that's actually contested (unlike the beach football match at Sunderland or Coventry). That's as good as a three month loan to Macclesfield for him, and us.
It shows all those young players, like Bennie, Adamson, Esquerdinha, even Kolli, players who many QPR managers down to "bare bones" might have stuck on the bench only as a message but wouldn't dream of bringing on when Sam Field is unused, that if you train well you can play. It shows them the level required, the atmosphere you need to negotiate to get a clean sheet at Stoke. That's worth 100 PL Youth Cup wins in front 600 fans at Loftus Road.
Everyone wants a coach who is good at youth development. Well, unfortunately this is probably what it looks like at the start.
That this team, with these injuries to so many key creative and attacking players got a point at Stoke is plenty. You predicted a 2-0 defeat, let us not forget. Would that been better if we'd 20% more possession? Last year, we went there also with injuries but stuck to our style, got beat 3-1 and were lucky it wasn't heavier. Would that have been better?
This is not the season we get in the play-offs, nobody predicted that. Not you, not me. And yet, we still can. A point at Stoke in Jan when every first name attacker bar one is injured does not derail that. Bank this. See how the run-in in pans out when players return. But this puts plenty in the tank for seasons to come. |
Hear Hear. (Or is that Here Here?) | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 08:34 - Jan 18 with 834 views | dmm |
That's an interesting perspective, TK1, and I agree with you to a point. In terms of Stephan's approach to youth development, I haven't seen a great deal of difference from many previous managers but admittedly, he's only half a season in.
Developing young players is much more than giving them 1st team experience but it has to include that. I feel Morgan in particular should be getting more playing time, and in CM, and especially during 3 game weeks. Maybe we'll see him used v Oxford. If Field plays at LB that leaves just Hayden and Madsen in the CM slots, one of whom may well need to come off early. |  | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 08:49 - Jan 18 with 775 views | Watford_Ranger |
Can we give Esquerdinha some credit for that long throw? Glorious Sunday league stuff. | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 08:55 - Jan 18 with 756 views | TK1 |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 08:34 - Jan 18 by dmm |
That's an interesting perspective, TK1, and I agree with you to a point. In terms of Stephan's approach to youth development, I haven't seen a great deal of difference from many previous managers but admittedly, he's only half a season in.
Developing young players is much more than giving them 1st team experience but it has to include that. I feel Morgan in particular should be getting more playing time, and in CM, and especially during 3 game weeks. Maybe we'll see him used v Oxford. If Field plays at LB that leaves just Hayden and Madsen in the CM slots, one of whom may well need to come off early. |
This is a week with the potential for total ruin, especially as we will lose more players than we have any return by time Wrexham turn up on Saturday. Then after this week it's only Coventry at home. Who will be back for that for potential bloodbath? Ronnie, maybe Chair or Vale? Morgan will definitely get a game in this run.
This is going to be a bumpy ride until players start returning. Think we toast that unexpected clean sheet at Stoke to start it off and brace ourselves for the next fortnight, take pleasures where we can - artistic merit be damned for now. | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 09:08 - Jan 18 with 711 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 23:45 - Jan 17 by charmr |
Gritty 0-0 draw. More like Stokes ineptitude and the ball bouncing our way for once when in the penalty area. It’s not attainable to be set up like this every away game. |
Some are missing the context of the result. 6 (six) first team players out and teenagers on the bench.
Which coach in their right mind would even attempt to play open expansive football away at in form Stoke, in January, with that amount of players injured?
If we had attempted that and got beat 3-0 as most predicted on here the meltdown from the usual suspects would have been deafening.
JS looks very pleased in his post match interview, and he should be. | |
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| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 09:21 - Jan 18 with 664 views | dm97 |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 22:06 - Jan 17 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
We've gone to Stoke and lost with better teams. Personally, if we can go there with a injury decimated squad and grind out a God awful 0-0 I think that is a big positive.
Too many times in the past weak QPR teams have gone to places like Stoke and rolled over. Today, it wasn't pretty, but it had grit, determination and a bit if agro. How many times haves teams like that come to Loftus Rd and we've asked why QPR can't be more like that?
We can't have it both ways. Give me that attitude and performance (defensive shape was superb) over some walk in the park 4-0 home win.
Today was about character, something we've lacked for a few seasons.
We'll lose to Oxford now. |
This. So many having their cake about performance levels while previously saying we are a weak club who can’t battle through a long injury list etc.
Went for 0-1, got 0-0. Move on |  | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 09:27 - Jan 18 with 614 views | themodfather |
well before game i thought we would lose 3-0, due to a weak injury stricken team, maybe tired legs after extra time v west ham ?
a 3rd choice goalie, teenagers and seeing all the possession they had to get a 0-0 seems very decent to me. well done to those who went too.
as for play offs, well it looks harder with 7? out , some for months? it is a slog now but always hope, other teams will have issues, injuries, suspensions, games off and then fixture backlog and still a long way to go.
one team always makes a late run to nick 6th spot , going forward with momentum and they can be dangerous, we are in a clutch of teams thinking it could be us. | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 09:30 - Jan 18 with 601 views | nix |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 09:08 - Jan 18 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Some are missing the context of the result. 6 (six) first team players out and teenagers on the bench.
Which coach in their right mind would even attempt to play open expansive football away at in form Stoke, in January, with that amount of players injured?
If we had attempted that and got beat 3-0 as most predicted on here the meltdown from the usual suspects would have been deafening.
JS looks very pleased in his post match interview, and he should be. |
Also in a dreaded three game week where arguably you’d want to put a bit more of your efforts in the decidedly more winnable (on paper obviously) Oxford away then a home game against another team around us on Saturday.
For once the last of the three game marathons is at home. And this week we’re playing on Tuesday rather than the usual Wednesday.
Wrexham are also playing on Tuesday except at home against Marti’s Leicester. Pretty crunch game for him. |  | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 12:25 - Jan 18 with 375 views | OldPedro |
In isolation, I expected a poor game given the number of injuries we have and a point is a reasonable return.
However, the last few away games in the league, probably since Derby, we've been very poor and the 442 formation doesn't seem to be working away from home. I think we need to try something else, especially with the make up of players who are currently fit. I would have hoped we would have used the last week to work on something different but it seems that JS doesn't want to move away from 442 irrespective of who is and isn't available and the fact recent away performances have been poor. |  |
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