| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred 19:58 - Jan 16 with 29871 views | colinallcars |
I slipped the vicar a half bottle of Jamesons earlier, so reckon we'll win this 2-1. |  | | |  |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 18:15 - Jan 17 with 2180 views | TwoHalves |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 17:53 - Jan 17 by simmo |
Your opinions mean nothing to me |
Vienna means nothing to me FWIW. |  | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 18:19 - Jan 17 with 2106 views | 7374Ranger |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 17:05 - Jan 17 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Take it go home.
With all the injuries and Stokes form, I'd say that was a really good point. Not a good watch though. |
I agree with this.
I thought Adamson did quite well when he came on. He maybe should have hit the target with his shot and delivered a decent ball in for Kone’s late header. Overall, he did more in the time he was than Dembele did. The latter did nothing of any use or threat to Stoke. Maybe Adamson can start at Stoke if Stephan and insists on playing Smyth on the left wing. I don’t understand this nonsense of playing left and right footed wingers on wings where they will only cut inside to shoot (90% off target).
The game itself was awful to watch. | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 18:23 - Jan 17 with 2033 views | plasmahoop |
I wasn't there, and don't go to many away games. I can see the point of view that we could have gone for it more, risked it for a win, or just been better to steamroll it in the first place.
But, in reality a nil nil away is a decent result. I thought we'd lose by 2 or 3 goals today. You have to grind it out sometimes, all the top teams over the years do. I was a bit worried after a decent effort at west ham it wasn't going to be matched today. | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 18:25 - Jan 17 with 1993 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 17:54 - Jan 17 by stainrods_elbow |
Chair, Poku, Saito, and Burrell more or less covers it.
Instead, as I've said, we played like we were missing half the squad, against a team who, to repeat the truth against JS's pre-match bullshit, are 15th in the Champ for their home form.
Obviously, I want us to win points, but today's offering was worse than Burnleyball under Ainsworth - and all it got us was a 0-0. If we'd have lost 2-0, at least JS might have had a chance to get realistic. |
True, we were not missing half the squad. Rather, we were missing almost half the starting 11!
You're defeat your own argument. | |
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| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 18:27 - Jan 17 with 1975 views | WadR |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 17:42 - Jan 17 by simmo |
I know the fashion is to be unanimously positive about everything or believe things have never been worse, but that kind of game shows the nuance of this QPR team.
A point and strong defensive performance is a positive, we probably would have taken both of those things before the game started, but the manner of the performance and - once again - the insistence on playing in a way that doesn't suit the players or exploit the opposition, breeds frustration.
The way we're approaching games, especially away from home, is terrible to watch. No ambition, no real intent to win, no risk and inevitably no reward. We didn't have a shot on target until the 95th minute, and I think that's 4 total SoT in our last 3 league away games.
FIND ANOTHER WAY. |
Totally agree!
I think the lines can sometimes be a bit unclear for when does a pragmatic away performance become too dour, too unambitious. And I totally realise that there's mitigating circumstances - missing several key players, taxing fixture schedule - but that was bordering on Ainsworthian in the abdication of attacking threat.
26% possession, not a single shot on target until injury time - pretty bleak.
Back 4 and especially Dunne were good but further forward I thought both tactically and individually that was so poor, at least in possession. Madsen the only midfielder/attacker to have the nous and decision making ability to find teammates. So many times we were unable to string even 3 passes together.
And that's in addition to the time-wasting, the fake keeper injuries, the constant slowing down of the game.
There's lots to like about Stephan, about this squad and I've really enjoyed the majority of home games. But I don't think the away performances against Portsmouth, WBA or today were up to scratch. | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 18:31 - Jan 17 with 1926 views | QPR_Hibs |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 17:48 - Jan 17 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I make it:
Chair, Poku, Burrell, Varane, Saito. So there are 5 straight away who would start. Plus Edwards, who is not match fit yet. Is there anyone else? Morrison, maybe.
Great point away from home. |
Jake Clarke-Salter.
Maybe Vale? |  |
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| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 18:40 - Jan 17 with 1806 views | Northolt_Rs |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 18:31 - Jan 17 by QPR_Hibs |
Jake Clarke-Salter.
Maybe Vale? |
Dibalocal game but I’ll take that point and a clean sheet all day long especially given our ridiculous injury list. Onwards and upwards! COYRS!!!! 💙🤍💙🤍 |  |
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| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 18:43 - Jan 17 with 1794 views | simmo |
"There's lots to like about Stephan, about this squad and I've really enjoyed the majority of home games. But I don't think the away performances against Portsmouth, WBA or today were up to scratch."
Exactly where I am, and I'd include Norwich in that too. I said before it feels a little like we're in 'bonus game' territory with our approach away from home, and that's what gets to me. With QPR I'm a performance / application over result supporter in the main, so when it feels like we're playing more not to lose than win - especially in this league - I struggle to console myself with the fact we've managed a point.
All of that said, we won't remember anything else about this game soon and there's 2 hugely winnable games coming up, so I get the point about taking the positives and moving forward! [Post edited 17 Jan 18:46]
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| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 18:48 - Jan 17 with 1731 views | dutch |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 17:13 - Jan 17 by stainrods_elbow |
Sounds like I'm in some kind of aesthetic minority, but if that performance is the price you pay to get a 0-0 against a mediocre Championship side who are 15th for their home record, what's the point (metaphorically speaking)? It's an entertainment business!
I don't know what depresses me more - that game, or some of the apologists for it here. We're missing, what, 3/4 players?
Get real! [Post edited 17 Jan 17:18]
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Entertainment? As a wise football manager once said, 'if you want entertainment go to the circus". It was a point. He had a point. | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 19:34 - Jan 17 with 1449 views | nix |
It’s hard because with Saito, Chair and Burrell unavailable we’ve got no one who can really hold the ball up or stretch the defence. Kolli’s strength is not currently back to goal around the halfway line where he found himself today. He may get there but you really want him in or around the box. Kone is also not quite good enough at trapping the ball and passing. So the ball keeps pinging back. Smyth was having one of his days where he can’t control the ball either.
That said we were hamstrung (scuse the metaphor as I know it’s a sore point atm) by having a very slow central defence. JCS and hopefully Edwards would’ve been able to push up more which would have allowed Kolli and Kone to be in better positions to play to their current strengths. Thought we livened up a bit with fresh legs from Adamson and Esquerdinha. Think I prefer them as wingers than full backs in the current situation.
But four points this season from a team in seventh is pretty respectable. And after the last couple of seasons I think it’s reasonable progress to be above Derby, Leicester, Birmingham, Southampton, Sheffield Utd, WBA and Norwich and only four points from the play offs at this stage. Tuesday is a crunch match though that we really should go out to win, much more than today IMO. Some matches you really don’t want to lose, like today and it keeps us in the hunt. |  | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 19:36 - Jan 17 with 1434 views | Loyalitat |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 18:19 - Jan 17 by 7374Ranger |
I agree with this.
I thought Adamson did quite well when he came on. He maybe should have hit the target with his shot and delivered a decent ball in for Kone’s late header. Overall, he did more in the time he was than Dembele did. The latter did nothing of any use or threat to Stoke. Maybe Adamson can start at Stoke if Stephan and insists on playing Smyth on the left wing. I don’t understand this nonsense of playing left and right footed wingers on wings where they will only cut inside to shoot (90% off target).
The game itself was awful to watch. |
Totally agree. We don't have players who are good enough to play the inverted wide players' role, Chair excepted, for the reason you have given.
It's sometimes easy to blame your forwards, but if you have wingers who are too easily dispossesed and have no interest in trying to get themselves into positions to deliver telling crosses, then you aren't going to create many scoring opportunities.
It won't happen with Stephan, but Smyth/Saito should primarily play on the right and Dembele/Vale/Poku on the left. Otherwise, their failings will continue to hamper us when it comes to creating chances., especially away from home. [Post edited 17 Jan 19:40]
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| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 19:39 - Jan 17 with 1409 views | Juzzie |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 17:13 - Jan 17 by stainrods_elbow |
Sounds like I'm in some kind of aesthetic minority, but if that performance is the price you pay to get a 0-0 against a mediocre Championship side who are 15th for their home record, what's the point (metaphorically speaking)? It's an entertainment business!
I don't know what depresses me more - that game, or some of the apologists for it here. We're missing, what, 3/4 players?
Get real! [Post edited 17 Jan 17:18]
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Sadly football used to be an entertainment business. That ship has long since sailed and it’s been replaced with a ‘results business’ these days I’m afraid.
I don’t like it but that’s how it’s become due to the ever increasing insane amounts of money involved and the disastrous consequences of failure. |  | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 19:39 - Jan 17 with 1408 views | danehoop |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 17:48 - Jan 17 by sdm1508 |
What a surprise, here she is. Who cares if people agree with you or not. You have your opinion, others have there's. Now go have your hissy fit somewhere else. It was a crap game, neither team played well. We come away with a point.
You are only happy when you have something to moan about. Pathetic [Post edited 17 Jan 17:51]
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| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 19:52 - Jan 17 with 1352 views | Watford_Ranger |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 19:39 - Jan 17 by Juzzie |
Sadly football used to be an entertainment business. That ship has long since sailed and it’s been replaced with a ‘results business’ these days I’m afraid.
I don’t like it but that’s how it’s become due to the ever increasing insane amounts of money involved and the disastrous consequences of failure. |
There were plenty of crap games and teams playing for a draw back in the day. | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 20:03 - Jan 17 with 1288 views | Juzzie |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 19:52 - Jan 17 by Watford_Ranger |
There were plenty of crap games and teams playing for a draw back in the day. |
True! Was never known as a results business then. If not on there already (maybe I’ve already added it!) I’ll add it to the glossary thread! | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 20:05 - Jan 17 with 1282 views | Watford_Ranger |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 20:03 - Jan 17 by Juzzie |
True! Was never known as a results business then. If not on there already (maybe I’ve already added it!) I’ll add it to the glossary thread! |
I’m yet to work in a business that isn’t. Would be nice to still get my bonus if the company declines by 10% but we do it with real panache. | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 20:07 - Jan 17 with 1258 views | rbee |
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| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 20:09 - Jan 17 with 1243 views | rbee |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 17:13 - Jan 17 by stainrods_elbow |
Sounds like I'm in some kind of aesthetic minority, but if that performance is the price you pay to get a 0-0 against a mediocre Championship side who are 15th for their home record, what's the point (metaphorically speaking)? It's an entertainment business!
I don't know what depresses me more - that game, or some of the apologists for it here. We're missing, what, 3/4 players?
Get real! [Post edited 17 Jan 17:18]
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You toddle off then and be entertained in League One. | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 20:10 - Jan 17 with 1241 views | terryb |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 19:39 - Jan 17 by Juzzie |
Sadly football used to be an entertainment business. That ship has long since sailed and it’s been replaced with a ‘results business’ these days I’m afraid.
I don’t like it but that’s how it’s become due to the ever increasing insane amounts of money involved and the disastrous consequences of failure. |
I struggle to remember when football was an entertainment business. Certainly not since Alf Ramsey's wingless wonders appeared! 1-0 to The Arsenal summed up most of football in the late 60's/early 70's.
Go back to a long time before I was born & they had to change the offside law from three opponents to two as sides were employing an offside trap with far better outcomes than teams have managed since.
Of course, there have been a few exceptions to the rule, notably us, West Ham & the two Manchester clubs in my youth, the Lisbon Lions from Glasgow, Brazil in 1970 & 1984, & the Ajax/Netherlands sides of 1968-1974. Newcastle under Keegan also fitted the bill.
The 21st century Barcelona are hard for me to make a decision on. They played some superb football, but everything was choreographed rather than free flowing.
Even all the teams I've mentioned always put the result above the performance though! | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 20:23 - Jan 17 with 1142 views | QPROslo |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 17:48 - Jan 17 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I make it:
Chair, Poku, Burrell, Varane, Saito. So there are 5 straight away who would start. Plus Edwards, who is not match fit yet. Is there anyone else? Morrison, maybe.
Great point away from home. |
Plus JCS, Larkeshe | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 20:26 - Jan 17 with 1117 views | cheeseydane |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 17:54 - Jan 17 by stainrods_elbow |
Chair, Poku, Saito, and Burrell more or less covers it.
Instead, as I've said, we played like we were missing half the squad, against a team who, to repeat the truth against JS's pre-match bullshit, are 15th in the Champ for their home form.
Obviously, I want us to win points, but today's offering was worse than Burnleyball under Ainsworth - and all it got us was a 0-0. If we'd have lost 2-0, at least JS might have had a chance to get realistic. |
One could argue all day about who was missing from our first 11, but it's about the matchday bench as well. Today we had very little to change the game. So in saying we are missing 8 - 11 players atm (depending upon etc.)is a fact.
But I do agree it was a painful watch. But circumstanes etc. a points a point. |  |
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| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 20:38 - Jan 17 with 1053 views | QPROslo |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 17:37 - Jan 17 by FDC |
Turgid watch, but have to commend keeping Stoke from creating much despite 75% possession.
We really miss Burrell. |
Yes, we really miss Burrell. I'm surprised why when we continue to play the same way Smith isn't tried in his position. Otherwise hope we can find another Burrell this window one way or the other. | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 21:33 - Jan 17 with 857 views | Northernr |
I agree with Simmo and echo his post. Bleak watching us shithouse and play act our way to a 0-0 at Stoke, which does what? Nothing. We actually moved further away from the play offs with that result.
But, in the interests of being positive, Jimmy Dunne was magnificent today. He’s had a great Christmas in difficult cercs. Made it his business to win every header today. I like that. |  | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 21:35 - Jan 17 with 838 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Didn't know the result and did a Likely Lads so I could watch the highlights as live.
Looked like a great match!  | | | |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 21:37 - Jan 17 with 832 views | colinallcars |
| St Oke Methodist Church Away Match Fred on 21:35 - Jan 17 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Didn't know the result and did a Likely Lads so I could watch the highlights as live.
Looked like a great match! |
Breathtaking ! | | | |
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