| Team for Oxford? 18:42 - Jan 17 with 10494 views | connell10 |
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| Team for Oxford? on 14:30 - Jan 19 with 1949 views | Superhoops2808 |
| Team for Oxford? on 23:45 - Jan 17 by ozexile |
Maybe we'll see our new 4 million defender at some stage? I mean it's not like we're slipping down the league or anything and out of the play off picture. Or knocked out of the cup at the first hurdle too whilst he was available. |
Mate thats a load of rubbish
He signed 2 days before our cup match and had hardly played for 2.5 months - No manager is going to play a new signing 2 days in.
We are in exactly the same league position as we were when Edwards signed, still well within the play off picture (4 points outside)
Why would you rush him into the side with all the injury issues our side currently has when you have 2 players match fit and have played most of the season together. Lets stop knocking the management for something that is a pretty sensible approach. |  | | |
| Team for Oxford? on 14:33 - Jan 19 with 1933 views | QPROslo |
| Team for Oxford? on 11:41 - Jan 19 by francisbowles |
With most of the wingers injured, it might be a good time to try three at the back with Mbengue and RND or Esquerdinha as wing backs. Smyth up front with Kone.
Kolli off the bench. Morgan or Hayden, Madsen and Field in midfield. |
I put in a shout for 3 at the back earlier this season and now we have Edwards to play alongside Dunne and Cook /Morrison/ Field in the 3, it looks well worth trying after training with it, which maybe difficult now n the 3 game week. I''m surprised JS didn't use Smith in Burrell's position Saturday, he still looks the obvious replacement for him to me with his pace. |  | | |
| Team for Oxford? on 14:48 - Jan 19 with 1870 views | daveB |
| Team for Oxford? on 11:59 - Jan 19 by dm97 |
I’d add that while Morgan is a good young player - he’s not going to come in and revolutionise our ability to keep the ball.
JS identified in August that this squad isn’t that capable of playing keep ball, so setting up differently to do so feels unlikely.
Maybe if, big if, you get Ronnie and JCS on the pitch at the same time that changes. But until then I’d be reticent to go 433 with current midfielders. There is a reason Madsen plays every minute, no other (senior) players can pass it forward 15 yards.
Summer priority no2 (after a decent LB who can actually play 3 games a week) |
Yeah I'd agree I'm not sure Morgan is the answer to keeping the ball better but one thing he does do, similar to Madsen is look to pass forward which at the moment for him means he gives the ball away a lot.
If we could get him a loan in league one for the rest of the season that would be ideal, the kids needs games. |  | | |
| Team for Oxford? on 15:00 - Jan 19 with 1767 views | Watford_Ranger |
There is of course the problem that if you play Madsen and Morgan you do have an additional professional footballer capable of passing a football fairly reliably but have one fewer to pass to and possibly score an actual goal. I thought one of Kolli’s strengths was dropping into the ‘10’ and linking with the midfield. | | | |
| Team for Oxford? on 15:08 - Jan 19 with 1746 views | aston_hoop |
Before anyone asks, local journo and this is direct from Julien's pre-match presser
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| Team for Oxford? on 20:04 - Jan 19 with 1561 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Team for Oxford? on 14:56 - Jan 18 by WadR |
He was poor yesterday, I'm not disputing that. But even in a game where he looked off the pace and made bad decisions - there was a moment in the second half where he took the ball back to goal nearish half way under pressure from multiple Stoke players, took a good touch out of his feet, outmuscled the opposition players who were fouling him and played a nicely weighted ball out wide.
Against West Ham, there was a lovely moment where he received ball back to goal, rolled a PL centre half who they'd spent £20m+ on and very slightly overhit the through ball to Kolli. Games earlier in the season where he's nutmegged opposition CBs and set up goals.
To say he can't control a ball to save his life is laughable.
He's still raw, he's inexperienced, he'll have bad games, he takes too many touches sometimes and isn't always on the same wavelength as his teammates and I'm not saying his first control is beyond reproach. But I'd say his hold up play is better than Dykes/Frey/Armstrong/Celar et al and he's so much of a goal threat than those strikers.
EuroRanger put it perfectly! But this is the rough that comes with the smooth of developing a talent! Eze wasn't the player he is now in the second half of that McClaren season, Chair took a couple of seasons to hit his peak performances, the oft used Ferdinand comparison. I don't think Kone will necessarily hit the heights of Eze/Ferdinand but he's a properly good and exciting prospect. [Post edited 18 Jan 15:00]
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Clutching at straws barely covers your attempts to justify his performances.
I find his ball control laughable. I coach 10-12 year olds and they have better technique than Kone.
His record now stands at 2 in 20 is it? Very much on a par with our other distinguished strikers named in your list.
However, I look forward to the ongoing development of this top talent and genuinely hope he scores against Oxford and I will gladly eat humble pie. Will be watching his performance with interest. | | | |
| Team for Oxford? on 20:10 - Jan 19 with 1540 views | ozexile |
| Team for Oxford? on 14:30 - Jan 19 by Superhoops2808 |
Mate thats a load of rubbish
He signed 2 days before our cup match and had hardly played for 2.5 months - No manager is going to play a new signing 2 days in.
We are in exactly the same league position as we were when Edwards signed, still well within the play off picture (4 points outside)
Why would you rush him into the side with all the injury issues our side currently has when you have 2 players match fit and have played most of the season together. Lets stop knocking the management for something that is a pretty sensible approach. |
I would say it's a different opinion. I wouldn't say itt was rubbish. The fella signs says he's fit and good to go. I just wanna win some football matches. We can't constantly live in fear of injuries. | | | |
| Team for Oxford? on 08:31 - Jan 20 with 1296 views | s1cRanger |
Been reading the Oxford forums and they definitely see this as a game they can and need to win in their relegation scrap. Personally would like to see Edwards in with Dunne Cook and RND at the back. Can't see them getting a goal with that back four in place. It's just a matter of if we have enough about us in the middle, wings and up front to grab a hold on the game otherwise it will be another scrappy game. |  | | |
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| Team for Oxford? on 08:55 - Jan 20 with 1227 views | Andybrat |
| Team for Oxford? on 08:31 - Jan 20 by s1cRanger |
Been reading the Oxford forums and they definitely see this as a game they can and need to win in their relegation scrap. Personally would like to see Edwards in with Dunne Cook and RND at the back. Can't see them getting a goal with that back four in place. It's just a matter of if we have enough about us in the middle, wings and up front to grab a hold on the game otherwise it will be another scrappy game. |
With you on the potential quality of the game. We haven’t played well in the league since Leicester. Surely some rotation tonight despite limited options. Field and Morgan surely in the picture but no other options up front. Banana Skin of a match | | | |
| Team for Oxford? on 09:11 - Jan 20 with 1189 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Team for Oxford? on 20:04 - Jan 19 by Burnleyhoop |
Clutching at straws barely covers your attempts to justify his performances.
I find his ball control laughable. I coach 10-12 year olds and they have better technique than Kone.
His record now stands at 2 in 20 is it? Very much on a par with our other distinguished strikers named in your list.
However, I look forward to the ongoing development of this top talent and genuinely hope he scores against Oxford and I will gladly eat humble pie. Will be watching his performance with interest. |
So you coach kids and they have better skills than Kone.
Interesting. Looks like Stainrod’s Elbow has some competition at last. |  | | |
| Team for Oxford? on 09:45 - Jan 20 with 1121 views | TheChef |
| Team for Oxford? on 08:31 - Jan 20 by s1cRanger |
Been reading the Oxford forums and they definitely see this as a game they can and need to win in their relegation scrap. Personally would like to see Edwards in with Dunne Cook and RND at the back. Can't see them getting a goal with that back four in place. It's just a matter of if we have enough about us in the middle, wings and up front to grab a hold on the game otherwise it will be another scrappy game. |
Can't say for sure, but chances are Edwards may not be fully match fit for a couple of weeks at least. |  |
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| Team for Oxford? on 10:57 - Jan 20 with 1033 views | Superhoops2808 |
| Team for Oxford? on 20:10 - Jan 19 by ozexile |
I would say it's a different opinion. I wouldn't say itt was rubbish. The fella signs says he's fit and good to go. I just wanna win some football matches. We can't constantly live in fear of injuries. |
But it is rubbish - Its not opinion, its a fact. We are in the same position in the league as when he signed... 11th
And there is not a manager in the world who will throw a player into an FA cup match less than 48 hours after signing when he has not played much in 2.5 months.
He was on the bench on Saturday and I fully expect that he will start tonight or at least play some part. But he has returned to a side that plays a different style of football to last season and I suspect that the manager wants to give him time to adjust to that.
If it was 4-5 games, I would be in the same camp as you, but it hasn't - Its been TWO games. | | | |
| Team for Oxford? on 10:59 - Jan 20 with 1030 views | OldPedro |
| Team for Oxford? on 10:57 - Jan 20 by Superhoops2808 |
But it is rubbish - Its not opinion, its a fact. We are in the same position in the league as when he signed... 11th
And there is not a manager in the world who will throw a player into an FA cup match less than 48 hours after signing when he has not played much in 2.5 months.
He was on the bench on Saturday and I fully expect that he will start tonight or at least play some part. But he has returned to a side that plays a different style of football to last season and I suspect that the manager wants to give him time to adjust to that.
If it was 4-5 games, I would be in the same camp as you, but it hasn't - Its been TWO games. |
Hopefully he plays tonight probably off the bench |  |
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| Team for Oxford? on 11:34 - Jan 20 with 965 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Team for Oxford? on 10:59 - Jan 20 by OldPedro |
Hopefully he plays tonight probably off the bench |
We don’t need to necessarily throw him in from the start when not match fit as Dunne and Cook have been in very good form recently. Cook is making those who said his legs have gone earlier this season look foolish: he remains a very good player at this level. | | | |
| Team for Oxford? on 12:03 - Jan 20 with 900 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Team for Oxford? on 11:44 - Jan 19 by numptydumpty |
So in all your time since following us since the 70s- same time as myself watching QPR actually - and by your own admission we have had some in your words "shite strikers", in all that time and all other teams squads at this level also, Kone is the worst technically that you have EVER seen at this level.
Think you know that statement is simply not true in anyways and you seen ourselves at this level for many seasons.
Sorry that is some statement to make....
Really !!
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Trying to think of another striker with an almost absolute inability to control a ball, in conjunction with constantly giving away fouls in the process of trying to do so.
Look, the reason Dunne and Cook played so well, and had to, against Stoke was that the ball came straight back the moment it was cleared or played forward. Our inability to get the ball under control and manage a few passes between us was embarrassing.
I get we are tired, have players missing etc, but surely as professional footballers, we should have the capacity to carry out the basics of the game. The stats were damning.
I hope Kone comes good, I really do, Rangers have been in my blood for most of my life and I believe we are moving in the right direction.
Time will tell, fingers crossed, let’s hope for better tonight. | | | |
| Team for Oxford? on 12:12 - Jan 20 with 880 views | tkqpr |
| Team for Oxford? on 10:51 - Jan 19 by derbyhoop |
The locals can often spot we're not French before we say anything.
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Is it the QPR shirt? |  | | |
| Team for Oxford? on 13:34 - Jan 20 with 767 views | wombat |
| Team for Oxford? on 12:03 - Jan 20 by Burnleyhoop |
Trying to think of another striker with an almost absolute inability to control a ball, in conjunction with constantly giving away fouls in the process of trying to do so.
Look, the reason Dunne and Cook played so well, and had to, against Stoke was that the ball came straight back the moment it was cleared or played forward. Our inability to get the ball under control and manage a few passes between us was embarrassing.
I get we are tired, have players missing etc, but surely as professional footballers, we should have the capacity to carry out the basics of the game. The stats were damning.
I hope Kone comes good, I really do, Rangers have been in my blood for most of my life and I believe we are moving in the right direction.
Time will tell, fingers crossed, let’s hope for better tonight. |
oppening up a can of worms but kolli was equally as bad as kone on sat yet no comments about him , is it because hes one of our own ? dembele also awful no comment about him smyth poor on the left hand side . |  |
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| Team for Oxford? on 13:59 - Jan 20 with 694 views | Superhoops2808 |
| Team for Oxford? on 13:34 - Jan 20 by wombat |
oppening up a can of worms but kolli was equally as bad as kone on sat yet no comments about him , is it because hes one of our own ? dembele also awful no comment about him smyth poor on the left hand side . |
Agreed, Kone is FAR from our biggest problem and brings a lot to the side. I am afraid I am still in the 'Yet to be convinced' camp re Kolli - We do have fans who are very selective around who they direct their criticism at - I may even be guilty of that myself without realising | | | |
| Team for Oxford? on 14:03 - Jan 20 with 687 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Team for Oxford? on 13:34 - Jan 20 by wombat |
oppening up a can of worms but kolli was equally as bad as kone on sat yet no comments about him , is it because hes one of our own ? dembele also awful no comment about him smyth poor on the left hand side . |
It wasn't a great day for any of the Forwards was it?
This is a great opportunity for Rayan, lets see if he can grab this. If not, maybe let his dad move him onto Nice, or whoever it is that can get him to his next level, while his stock his high.
I thought he looked unfit at Stoke, which is mental when you look at his age and how many games he's played this year. |  | | |
| Team for Oxford? on 14:35 - Jan 20 with 616 views | derbyhoop |
| Team for Oxford? on 12:03 - Jan 20 by Burnleyhoop |
Trying to think of another striker with an almost absolute inability to control a ball, in conjunction with constantly giving away fouls in the process of trying to do so.
Look, the reason Dunne and Cook played so well, and had to, against Stoke was that the ball came straight back the moment it was cleared or played forward. Our inability to get the ball under control and manage a few passes between us was embarrassing.
I get we are tired, have players missing etc, but surely as professional footballers, we should have the capacity to carry out the basics of the game. The stats were damning.
I hope Kone comes good, I really do, Rangers have been in my blood for most of my life and I believe we are moving in the right direction.
Time will tell, fingers crossed, let’s hope for better tonight. |
I think we get it Burnley. You don't rate Kone which is your opinion.
Remember how far he's come already and it's quite remarkable that he's capable of 6 goals this season. He's still only 23, so, potentially, there's still development to come.
Wouldn't it be good to see him bang in a couple tonight and we'll all be happy. |  |
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| Team for Oxford? on 14:58 - Jan 20 with 570 views | TK1 |
| Team for Oxford? on 14:35 - Jan 20 by derbyhoop |
I think we get it Burnley. You don't rate Kone which is your opinion.
Remember how far he's come already and it's quite remarkable that he's capable of 6 goals this season. He's still only 23, so, potentially, there's still development to come.
Wouldn't it be good to see him bang in a couple tonight and we'll all be happy. |
Richard Kone's not even 23, actually. He's 22 until July.
He's three months younger than Alfie Lloyd, who is out on loan at the level below "to develop" but didn't make any impact at Orient.
Kealey Adamson, who we are treating with kid gloves as he slowly gets ten mins here and there at right back, is four months older than Kone.
Alex Aoraha, who plays semi-regularly for the Dev team and has completed less than a full game for the seniors, is seven months older than Kone.
I could go on.
The idea that some fans are running out of patience with Kone as he leads the line for an injury-ravaged first team at 22, his first season at this level, is absolutely insane. He qualifies for the Dev squad! He's miles ahead of any number 9 we've had aged 22 since...I can't think, Kevin Gallen? | | | |
| Team for Oxford? on 15:08 - Jan 20 with 548 views | bosh67 |
Morrison now officially at Aberdeen on loan for the rest of the season. Really hope we keep hold of Field because we are still light across the back and CM. |  |
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| Team for Oxford? on 15:30 - Jan 20 with 460 views | aston_hoop |
| Team for Oxford? on 14:58 - Jan 20 by TK1 |
Richard Kone's not even 23, actually. He's 22 until July.
He's three months younger than Alfie Lloyd, who is out on loan at the level below "to develop" but didn't make any impact at Orient.
Kealey Adamson, who we are treating with kid gloves as he slowly gets ten mins here and there at right back, is four months older than Kone.
Alex Aoraha, who plays semi-regularly for the Dev team and has completed less than a full game for the seniors, is seven months older than Kone.
I could go on.
The idea that some fans are running out of patience with Kone as he leads the line for an injury-ravaged first team at 22, his first season at this level, is absolutely insane. He qualifies for the Dev squad! He's miles ahead of any number 9 we've had aged 22 since...I can't think, Kevin Gallen? |
I'd upvote this twice if I could
Exactly this, this is player development and we've got a good one here. Now it's up to us to be patient and support him, then watch him flourish as he passes 50, then 100 games etc. | |
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| Team for Oxford? on 15:33 - Jan 20 with 447 views | numptydumpty |
| Team for Oxford? on 12:03 - Jan 20 by Burnleyhoop |
Trying to think of another striker with an almost absolute inability to control a ball, in conjunction with constantly giving away fouls in the process of trying to do so.
Look, the reason Dunne and Cook played so well, and had to, against Stoke was that the ball came straight back the moment it was cleared or played forward. Our inability to get the ball under control and manage a few passes between us was embarrassing.
I get we are tired, have players missing etc, but surely as professional footballers, we should have the capacity to carry out the basics of the game. The stats were damning.
I hope Kone comes good, I really do, Rangers have been in my blood for most of my life and I believe we are moving in the right direction.
Time will tell, fingers crossed, let’s hope for better tonight. |
You have made your point about Kone and rammed it home.
Excuse my French, but I think this seems like a Stainrod sentence and is ridiculous comment and simply said for dramatic effect as opposed to a belief, as I can't contend than any of our fans that have seen us this season can be massively disappointed in Kone.
Wasn't that long ago, we scored four in the first half against Leicester.
Team for today, I personally would play as its not our style but it would be thus.
Walsh
Cook Edwards Dunne
Adamson Mbengue
Madsen Hayden
Smyth Dembele
Kone |  |
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| Team for Oxford? on 16:52 - Jan 20 with 309 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Team for Oxford? on 08:31 - Jan 20 by s1cRanger |
Been reading the Oxford forums and they definitely see this as a game they can and need to win in their relegation scrap. Personally would like to see Edwards in with Dunne Cook and RND at the back. Can't see them getting a goal with that back four in place. It's just a matter of if we have enough about us in the middle, wings and up front to grab a hold on the game otherwise it will be another scrappy game. |
I agree with them - if I were them, I'd be rubbing my hands together after watching us at Stoke. As for beating us, I hope they won't, but I think they will. |  |
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