| Cargiant site on 12:18 - Apr 16 with 3467 views | CamberleyR |
| Cargiant site on 08:02 - Apr 16 by 7374Ranger |
I like this one. It is not a soul less replica of many new stadiums. I don't know the capacity of that but QPR would only need a 30,000 capacity as long as the site included other revenue raising facilities. |
If you're on about Boavista's stadium, it holds 28k. |  |
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| Cargiant site on 12:29 - Apr 16 with 3398 views | cyprusmel |
I attended Loftus Road in the 50"s and at that time the only stand was Ellerslie and from memory that was made out of wood. The only other cover was the tin roof over the loft end.
From those old days a fantastic stadium was built with the addition of South Africa Road and the School and Loft end plus complete overhaul of Ellerslie but this was around 50/60 years ago.
I of course have had some very happy memories at the ground over the years but I think it is time to move on if we can.
The last time I visited Loftus Road as a season ticket holder was 18 years ago and it was tired and wanting then. I doubt that much has happened in those years that have past to improve the stadium.
As I see it the only way to improve the experience would be to reduce capacity and that in my opinion would be the wrong way to go.
People might say why should I have an opinion you don't go anymore and they might be right as well.
As has been sung many time before " Rangers till I die" |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 12:37 - Apr 16 with 3342 views | JezHoops |
Just an historical note. When I started supporting QPR we were the answer to a quiz question .
Which club in the Football League has had more ground changes than any other? | | | |
| Cargiant site on 12:39 - Apr 16 with 3331 views | dmm |
I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet, but should a new stadium be built on the Car Giant site, who would own it? |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 12:47 - Apr 16 with 3291 views | Pindarus |
If I had to describe Loftus Road in one word it would be be "intimate". Having a lummox in the next seat taking up half your seat is not the height of comfort which is part of the reason I very rarely visit, the other being age.
I greatly admire Brentford and the way they went about their move. Dealing with the London Borough of Hounslow I guess must be a lot easier than Hammersmith, but feel will have to emulate the Bees at some stage soon or we will never compete. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 12:48 - Apr 16 with 3285 views | KensalT |
By a strange coincidence there was an article on Football League World last month revisiting the mysterious "Project Big Ben" and QPR's longstanding desire to move to a new stadium.
https://footballleagueworld.co
"Yet still the desire to leave Loftus Road doesn't seem to have gone away. In March 2024, the Daily Mail reported that the club was actively seeking investors for what they described as "Project Big Ben." According to the Mail, Montminy, the American bank dealing with this on behalf of the club, claimed in a prospectus that QPR's vision was to 'produce a state-of-the-art, multipurpose stadium, as part of a major regeneration in West London,' and claimed that 'discussions are underway to further explore significant stadium development with local municipal authority.'"
The overall gist of the piece is that there doesn't appear to have been any significant progress towards a new stadium.
Back in 2024 StadiumDB wrote that a site had been proposed witha value of £50-64 million:
https://stadiumdb.com/news/202
"Recent reports from Mail Sport indicate that QPR executives are seeking new investors to fund the construction of a modern stadium to replace Loftus Road. This concept, named Project Big Ben, has been presented to potential buyers this year, with an emphasis on QPR’s strong London presence. The proposed site for the investment has been valued between £50 million and £64 million" [Post edited 16 Apr 12:52]
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| Cargiant site on 12:56 - Apr 16 with 3239 views | Hoopsie |
I think many of us would still remember Tony Fernandes and the “New Queens Park” more than 12 years ago (yes you see this right - 13 Dec 2013 on the BBC website)
Hazard a guess we got the architecturals ready to go, just need to buy the site and apply for planning, sorry i digressed……
Remember, the debacle was not Council rejection or nimby at the war front, it was Cargiant coming out to dismiss Fernandes’s bold claim of getting a deal done with them and it fell off a cliff and the eventual demise of TF as chairman of the football club
Now the site is available, just saying….
Does evoke the training ground drama of fighting with the locals and going to court over Warren Farm for the new training ground for almost 9 frustrating years and then suddenly boom we landed Heston and the rest is history…
Ever wondered why there is dead silence within the club saying anything about the availability of this site? Wouldn’t be surprised if the club has already started the ball rolling…. [Post edited 16 Apr 12:57]
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| Cargiant site on 12:58 - Apr 16 with 3236 views | KensalT |
| Cargiant site on 12:39 - Apr 16 by dmm |
I'm not sure if this has been discussed yet, but should a new stadium be built on the Car Giant site, who would own it? |
That's a good question.
Our owners could probably raise the necessary funding if they wanted to build a stadium in their own right.
But who would lend QPR the £50+ million you would need just to secure the land for the project? [Post edited 16 Apr 13:05]
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| Cargiant site on 13:17 - Apr 16 with 3145 views | baz_qpr |
| Cargiant site on 12:58 - Apr 16 by KensalT |
That's a good question.
Our owners could probably raise the necessary funding if they wanted to build a stadium in their own right.
But who would lend QPR the £50+ million you would need just to secure the land for the project? [Post edited 16 Apr 13:05]
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I think that is the reality its unlikely it will be wholly owned by the club itself. It would have to be part of the wider redevelopment of the area. As that is what will fund it and investors will want returns.
I do think the who would want to live there is a false argument. Much of the east end, Streatham Brixton , Hackney, Battersea even Acton etc all considered "holes" 10, 20 , 30 years ago and now desirable places to live due to proximity to the city. Zone 2 /3 with fast trains into town will be desirable. The right development with the right mix of housing business studios, shops etc will make its money back and some. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 13:24 - Apr 16 with 3096 views | BostonR |
I’d be amazed if the Board are not interested in the site. Forget about the football for a second and look at the investment opportunities.
Ruben is chucking huge amounts of cash to keep us afloat. It’s obvious that LR is a bottomless pit and it’s futile to keep throwing money at a failing facility.
The Board probably have a valuation of circa £90M on the sale of the LR site probably for luxury residential development. It’s feasible the club could create an investment vehicle to pursue this sale and the acquisition of the car giant site.
It won’t be just about throwing up a new stadium on that footprint. It will be about leveraging the whole site and its surroundings in a major redevelopment.
Ruben has vast wealth and no end of very willing investors in joining him in a major development. I can’t imagine they won’t miss out on such an opportunity so close to home. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 13:25 - Apr 16 with 3092 views | Northernr |
| Cargiant site on 12:56 - Apr 16 by Hoopsie |
I think many of us would still remember Tony Fernandes and the “New Queens Park” more than 12 years ago (yes you see this right - 13 Dec 2013 on the BBC website)
Hazard a guess we got the architecturals ready to go, just need to buy the site and apply for planning, sorry i digressed……
Remember, the debacle was not Council rejection or nimby at the war front, it was Cargiant coming out to dismiss Fernandes’s bold claim of getting a deal done with them and it fell off a cliff and the eventual demise of TF as chairman of the football club
Now the site is available, just saying….
Does evoke the training ground drama of fighting with the locals and going to court over Warren Farm for the new training ground for almost 9 frustrating years and then suddenly boom we landed Heston and the rest is history…
Ever wondered why there is dead silence within the club saying anything about the availability of this site? Wouldn’t be surprised if the club has already started the ball rolling…. [Post edited 16 Apr 12:57]
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You'd do well to convince anybody there's skylarks nesting at Old Oak Common though. Genuinely one of the biggest shtholes in the city. The only reason you'd go is to buy a used car and/or dump a body. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 13:27 - Apr 16 with 3077 views | Northernr |
One of the other issues with this site I recall is that there is now a huge Elizabeth Line depot and workshop there which is crucial to the operation of the line. This was originally meant to be built underground or with the potential to put stilts around it and build over, but Mayor Boris couldn't be arsed with that detail/expense etc and ignored it, so you've now got a huge piece of vital infrastructure slap bang in the middle of it that you'd have to go around. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 13:27 - Apr 16 with 3071 views | nadera78 |
You said "I would be pretty adamant that season ticket holders are more than consulted on any new stadium plans" and "I'd be pretty energised by some sort of fan group that were given the opportunity to help shape the new stadium and immediate community".
To which I replied "The club doesn't update us on player injuries, what makes you think they'd genuinely give a toss what we think about the design of the new stadium?"
It's a fairly straight forward exchange. You can be as "adamant" as you like, all the evidence is that the club does what it wants regardless of our views. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 13:35 - Apr 16 with 3048 views | bosh67 |
| Cargiant site on 13:27 - Apr 16 by Northernr |
One of the other issues with this site I recall is that there is now a huge Elizabeth Line depot and workshop there which is crucial to the operation of the line. This was originally meant to be built underground or with the potential to put stilts around it and build over, but Mayor Boris couldn't be arsed with that detail/expense etc and ignored it, so you've now got a huge piece of vital infrastructure slap bang in the middle of it that you'd have to go around. |
I can't see this being a huge problem if it's not at the end we're attacking. |  |
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| Cargiant site on 14:01 - Apr 16 with 2948 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Cargiant site on 13:27 - Apr 16 by nadera78 |
You said "I would be pretty adamant that season ticket holders are more than consulted on any new stadium plans" and "I'd be pretty energised by some sort of fan group that were given the opportunity to help shape the new stadium and immediate community".
To which I replied "The club doesn't update us on player injuries, what makes you think they'd genuinely give a toss what we think about the design of the new stadium?"
It's a fairly straight forward exchange. You can be as "adamant" as you like, all the evidence is that the club does what it wants regardless of our views. |
Yeah I was trying to just outline the caveats that I personally would like to impose to make this thing a goer. I wasn't saying I have any faith that the club would do that. In fact I said I'd be able to embrace it more if I felt I could trust them.
Apologies for talking about what I'd like to see happen if we changed stadium in a thread about changing stadium. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 14:51 - Apr 16 with 2805 views | DWQPR |
| Cargiant site on 13:27 - Apr 16 by Northernr |
One of the other issues with this site I recall is that there is now a huge Elizabeth Line depot and workshop there which is crucial to the operation of the line. This was originally meant to be built underground or with the potential to put stilts around it and build over, but Mayor Boris couldn't be arsed with that detail/expense etc and ignored it, so you've now got a huge piece of vital infrastructure slap bang in the middle of it that you'd have to go around. |
The depot is situated on the old depot that was there back in the day and doesn’t affect the CarGiant site at all. The footprint of the depot hasn’t changed at all. | |
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| Cargiant site on 14:54 - Apr 16 with 2795 views | BristolR |
| Cargiant site on 13:25 - Apr 16 by Northernr |
You'd do well to convince anybody there's skylarks nesting at Old Oak Common though. Genuinely one of the biggest shtholes in the city. The only reason you'd go is to buy a used car and/or dump a body. |
Talking of which, when is Celar due back? |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 15:12 - Apr 16 with 2705 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Cargiant site on 13:17 - Apr 16 by baz_qpr |
I think that is the reality its unlikely it will be wholly owned by the club itself. It would have to be part of the wider redevelopment of the area. As that is what will fund it and investors will want returns.
I do think the who would want to live there is a false argument. Much of the east end, Streatham Brixton , Hackney, Battersea even Acton etc all considered "holes" 10, 20 , 30 years ago and now desirable places to live due to proximity to the city. Zone 2 /3 with fast trains into town will be desirable. The right development with the right mix of housing business studios, shops etc will make its money back and some. |
Acton was a pretty decent place to live 20-30 years ago. It's now a hovel.
However, I agree that a redevelopment of the Car Giant territory will improve the local area and you'll always find people that want to live there. |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 18:03 - Apr 16 with 2452 views | captainmycaptian |
| Cargiant site on 13:25 - Apr 16 by Northernr |
You'd do well to convince anybody there's skylarks nesting at Old Oak Common though. Genuinely one of the biggest shtholes in the city. The only reason you'd go is to buy a used car and/or dump a body. |
Just a note to all best not piss him off he knows where to dump the bodies !! | | | |
| Cargiant site on 18:18 - Apr 16 with 2399 views | dutch |
I have watched Rangers for half a century and would watch them by a rope on Paddington Rec. But I am not at all sure I would go to little Chernobyl by the tracks. At best it will be a bland concoction of tower blocks, at worst it will be what it is now, a God forsaken wasteland. My parents swapped a tumbledown house in Notting Hill for a council house in Burnt Oak and regretted it every day. You can fix outside toilets, you can't buy history, character, authenticity. | | | |
| Cargiant site on 18:20 - Apr 16 with 2375 views | captainmycaptian |
| Cargiant site on 11:57 - Apr 16 by TK1 |
Because they don't want to. What they have always wanted is to move the club to Car Giant and redevelop Loftus Road, which will suddenly have a bigger footprint than you imagine. The 23k revamp was worse case for them.
It's always been about OOC. They press released it and put it on the club website a decade ago!
My two big objections to knocking down Loftus Road and moving from W12 to a new build in NW10 at Scrubs Lane/Car Giant are these:
1/ QPR's identity is, I believe, intrinsically bound up in Loftus Road. More so than all the great players who've come and gone, Marsh, Bowles, Ferdinand, Francis, they're gone; it's more than the memories of matches, great old kits, players yet to bloom...Loftus Road is constant. It's 'Then Now Always' more than anything else.
So, if we can agree that there is some merit in that...
2/ If we knock it down, sell the land off (which will suddenly be revealed no doubt to have a bigger footprint than we imagine) and move elsewhere, why do Ruben Gnanalingam, Amit Bhatia, Richard Reilly, Lee Hoos and Christian Nourry get to pull that once in a century trigger?
What have Ruben Gnanalingam, Amit Bhatia, Richard Reilly, Lee Hoos succeeded at in a decade+ at QPR that gives them that privilege?
What proof have they provided that they will get it right? They have big credit for the training ground but in most other respects we are worse off than when the owners took over. How have they earned our trust, particularly recently, when truth has been employed sparingly? Benham at Brentford had a decade of growth and incremental success before he moved the ground - he earned the trust at each step and he got it right.
Let's have five years of sporting and commercial success and let's make the being a development club that they trumpet really work. Bribe us with some sporting success before selling off the crown jewel.
Because they will all be off as soon as we move in, that's for sure. |
This with out doubt
I just want the team to win .... dont need shiney new ground with no atmosphere. At least when we playing bad there is an atmosphere. Imagine a massive ground 30 k empty nope its a misnomer of a concept that new grounds make a club stronger. Winning games dose though | | | |
| Cargiant site on 20:07 - Apr 16 with 2215 views | daveB |
| Cargiant site on 11:37 - Apr 16 by francisbowles |
I may be reading more into your original post than you meant but it sounds as though you would do away with all seating and replace it with safe standing.
However, I am led to believe that safe standing doesn't create more space and more importantly not everyone wants to stand. |
I think you'd have a mix of seating and safe standing. It seems to me the worst areas for legroom are SA Road, Upper Loft and Stan Bowles so you could make them in the main safe standing and with a rebuilt SA Road stand you can build a roof over the bottom tier for seating.
It'll never happen in our lifetimes to be honest but I'd prefer that to paying mad money for a new stadium in the middle of nowhere because they may or may not open a train station near it and we might be able to have Boxing or a concert on it during the summer |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 20:18 - Apr 16 with 2188 views | izlingtonhoop |
| Cargiant site on 13:24 - Apr 16 by BostonR |
I’d be amazed if the Board are not interested in the site. Forget about the football for a second and look at the investment opportunities.
Ruben is chucking huge amounts of cash to keep us afloat. It’s obvious that LR is a bottomless pit and it’s futile to keep throwing money at a failing facility.
The Board probably have a valuation of circa £90M on the sale of the LR site probably for luxury residential development. It’s feasible the club could create an investment vehicle to pursue this sale and the acquisition of the car giant site.
It won’t be just about throwing up a new stadium on that footprint. It will be about leveraging the whole site and its surroundings in a major redevelopment.
Ruben has vast wealth and no end of very willing investors in joining him in a major development. I can’t imagine they won’t miss out on such an opportunity so close to home. |
LR is a bottomless pit because of all the digging down... |  | | |
| Cargiant site on 20:46 - Apr 16 with 2090 views | derbyhoop |
If we/you stand still, others go past us/you.
QPR have stood still for the last 11 years, if not 30+. The latter is based on getting relegated just as the teams in the top tier started rolling in Sky money.
Most would agree that Brentford, Bournemouth, Brighton and Fulham have already gone past us. |  |
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