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A society that values story telling over scientific method is , in my opinion, on the road to ruin.They are not equal explanations
Yes I understand scientific method based on evidence is not definitive forever.It is however the best explanation,ie better than others at this date.
I happen to believe in the scientific method. That's why I have concerns about your statement. There is no scientific agreement on the creation of the universe, with multiple cosmological theories, some of them quite new. Science does not know how it all began, so it's not correct to claim it has the best explanation now or even will have in the future.
I'd also add that science mainly seeks to know the 'how' while other approaches are often equally interested in the 'why'. Maori culture, like many others, had storytelling as their method of handing on knowledge from one generation to another, using mythical/religious figures to make the stories memorable. Whether these stories were 'scientifically' accurate was not an issue for them.
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Rod Liddle - Gone on 13:39 - Aug 9 with 2824 views
I happen to believe in the scientific method. That's why I have concerns about your statement. There is no scientific agreement on the creation of the universe, with multiple cosmological theories, some of them quite new. Science does not know how it all began, so it's not correct to claim it has the best explanation now or even will have in the future.
I'd also add that science mainly seeks to know the 'how' while other approaches are often equally interested in the 'why'. Maori culture, like many others, had storytelling as their method of handing on knowledge from one generation to another, using mythical/religious figures to make the stories memorable. Whether these stories were 'scientifically' accurate was not an issue for them.
I do know God didn't make the little green apples, and it don't rain in Indianapolis in the summertime. Sorry….
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Rod Liddle - Gone on 13:45 - Aug 9 with 2789 views
A society that values story telling over scientific method is , in my opinion, on the road to ruin.They are not equal explanations
Yes I understand scientific method based on evidence is not definitive forever.It is however the best explanation,ie better than others at this date.
You're coming over far to logical and facts based for this forum.
I thought of Rod Liddle as an exceptional writer. Never mind the politics he often got to the heart of an issue and had the courage to tell it as it is.
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Rod Liddle - Gone on 14:08 - Aug 9 with 2716 views
I happen to believe in the scientific method. That's why I have concerns about your statement. There is no scientific agreement on the creation of the universe, with multiple cosmological theories, some of them quite new. Science does not know how it all began, so it's not correct to claim it has the best explanation now or even will have in the future.
I'd also add that science mainly seeks to know the 'how' while other approaches are often equally interested in the 'why'. Maori culture, like many others, had storytelling as their method of handing on knowledge from one generation to another, using mythical/religious figures to make the stories memorable. Whether these stories were 'scientifically' accurate was not an issue for them.
I would say that much of the history and evolution of the universe is established as scientific fact, from less than a nanosecond after its creation to the present day.
Science has theorised that the universe condensed out of a hot dense mass of particles formed in what is now called the big bang. This assumption enabled Ralph Alpher and George Gamow, as long ago 1948, to theoretically predict the relative amounts of hydrogen, helium and lithium that should have formed as this mass of particles cooled and expanded. Their results agree incredibly well with experimental measurements of the actual amounts of these elements in the universe – providing convincing evidence that the big bang actually happened.
Even amateur astronomers can now make measurements showing that distant galaxies are flying apart from each other at vast speed – the rate of expansion determined by the so-called Hubble constant. If you rewind this expansion you come up with the fact that all the matter in the universe must have started off in the same place about 14 billion years ago – more evidence for the big bang, and giving a specific time for the origin of the universe.
Sure we don't currently know much about how dark energy and matter formed but that does not mean the current 'origins' theories are incorrect - they just need adding to.
We also don’t currently know what caused the big bang although there are many competing hypotheses. But nearly all of these hypotheses will propose ways in which they can be experimentally tested and we will ultimately see which one is correct.
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Rod Liddle - Gone on 15:00 - Aug 9 with 2572 views
I tended to agree to most of his political arguments.His arguments on woke ranging from teaching Māori universe creation theory being equal to scientific ‘western’ science to transgender insistent that an individual can insist in going into a female changing room instantly causing fear and doubt for a larger number of women in using the the changing rooms ever again.
Evidence of punching his pregnant wife in the stomach please.
It is just the left use this style of criticism to cancel people .
Unfortunately no replies will mean I assume it is made up
“It is just the left use this style of criticism to cancel people”…… because no one on the right has ever done the same? You think Trump and his supporters only ever speak with truth and integrity?
As I alluded to on page 1, not everything is as simple as left v right, they’re all at it. it’s just a rage-baiting opportunity IMO.
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Rod Liddle - Gone on 17:56 - Aug 9 with 2212 views
Rod Liddle - Gone on 13:39 - Aug 9 by colinallcars
I do know God didn't make the little green apples, and it don't rain in Indianapolis in the summertime. Sorry….
I have it on good authority that it does rain in Indianapolis in the summertime. In fact several inches of rain fall on average across the months of June, July, and August.
Apparently rainy nights have been known to occur in Georgia too.
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Rod Liddle - Gone on 18:12 - Aug 9 with 2162 views
Rod Liddle - Gone on 17:02 - Aug 9 by colinallcars
I blame AI. The detail given in some posts is overwhelming, so the poster has clearly looked it all up. The rubbish I post is at least homemade.
Wasn’t intending to add to my post but I can assure you it is quite possible for people to hold several ideas in their heads, and to retain certain facts, without having to resort to AI.
I would be far more interested in any major disagreements you may have with what I was saying.
My main point though was to highlight the fact that so many people are saying ‘the scientists can’t decide’, or ‘there is disagreement among scientists’ - when in fact there is little or no disagreement – that it seems their main aim is sow confusion. There are loads of areas where this is currently happening in politics and mainstream media.
In deference to Clive's comment I will not be adding to this thread.
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Rod Liddle - Gone on 18:16 - Aug 9 with 2134 views
Wasn’t intending to add to my post but I can assure you it is quite possible for people to hold several ideas in their heads, and to retain certain facts, without having to resort to AI.
I would be far more interested in any major disagreements you may have with what I was saying.
My main point though was to highlight the fact that so many people are saying ‘the scientists can’t decide’, or ‘there is disagreement among scientists’ - when in fact there is little or no disagreement – that it seems their main aim is sow confusion. There are loads of areas where this is currently happening in politics and mainstream media.
In deference to Clive's comment I will not be adding to this thread.
Mate you want to have a debate about the birth of the planet and the existence of the humanity you be my guest, I'd far rather read that than any faux fawning over Rod bloody Liddle.
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Rod Liddle - Gone on 19:51 - Aug 9 with 1963 views
“It is just the left use this style of criticism to cancel people”…… because no one on the right has ever done the same? You think Trump and his supporters only ever speak with truth and integrity?
As I alluded to on page 1, not everything is as simple as left v right, they’re all at it. it’s just a rage-baiting opportunity IMO.
Ok right do it as well , but rarely as the right doesn’t generally claim moral superiority. They tend to emphasis making money, as in all very well wanting more prisons but who will pay for it.
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Rod Liddle - Gone on 20:06 - Aug 9 with 1933 views
“The right doesn’t generally claim moral superiority”
Edit: a quick google produced this “ No objective moral superiority exists between right-wing and left-wing politics.”
Yet, have you never heard Trump speak? He does nothing but.
His reasoning for bombing Iran is to stop them from having nukes but it’s OK for the US to have them so there is your moral superiority right there. You can’t go around saying who can’t have them when you have 5,000 of the fkkers yourself.
Everything he does is basically “Minority Report” …… all along the lines of supposedly stopping something that “might” happen, basically to incite fear and therefore support & justification, even though there’s no proof of it (for the recent Ceuta situation read the Mexico wall and the mid terms) and is like the joke about keeping rocks in the fridge because it keeps the tigers away.
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Rod Liddle - Gone on 20:08 - Aug 9 with 1914 views
Wasn’t intending to add to my post but I can assure you it is quite possible for people to hold several ideas in their heads, and to retain certain facts, without having to resort to AI.
I would be far more interested in any major disagreements you may have with what I was saying.
My main point though was to highlight the fact that so many people are saying ‘the scientists can’t decide’, or ‘there is disagreement among scientists’ - when in fact there is little or no disagreement – that it seems their main aim is sow confusion. There are loads of areas where this is currently happening in politics and mainstream media.
In deference to Clive's comment I will not be adding to this thread.
I wasn't having a pop at you, just saying that in general posts are becoming more, I dunno, erudite ?
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Rod Liddle - Gone on 20:32 - Aug 9 with 1849 views
Ok right do it as well , but rarely as the right doesn’t generally claim moral superiority. They tend to emphasis making money, as in all very well wanting more prisons but who will pay for it.
Edited to avoid prolonging it.
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Rod Liddle - Gone on 00:48 - Aug 10 with 1668 views
I have it on good authority that it does rain in Indianapolis in the summertime. In fact several inches of rain fall on average across the months of June, July, and August.
Apparently rainy nights have been known to occur in Georgia too.
Good question. Like a number of the "no one likes us" crew of a certain age, he detested the Rs with an absolute passion. My theory is that for most of them it goes back to Rodney's home debut in March 1966. A 6.1 mauling for the Lions, many arrests and lots of ejections (including Danny Baker's dad Spud, with young Baker in tow)
Liddle's family moved to the Middlesbrough area when he was 8 and he started going to Ayresome Park. He was also at my first Rs match in September 1970. Middlesbrough v QPR. We were 2.0 up after 5 minutes and Rangers were cruising........yet we managed to lose 6.2. At least it got me used to what much of the next 56 years was to bring. Liddle brought this match up in one of his columns 15 years ago - and he absolutely delighted in it.
Make no mistake - he hated us with a passion.
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Rod Liddle - Gone on 14:52 - Aug 10 with 1149 views
Good question. Like a number of the "no one likes us" crew of a certain age, he detested the Rs with an absolute passion. My theory is that for most of them it goes back to Rodney's home debut in March 1966. A 6.1 mauling for the Lions, many arrests and lots of ejections (including Danny Baker's dad Spud, with young Baker in tow)
Liddle's family moved to the Middlesbrough area when he was 8 and he started going to Ayresome Park. He was also at my first Rs match in September 1970. Middlesbrough v QPR. We were 2.0 up after 5 minutes and Rangers were cruising........yet we managed to lose 6.2. At least it got me used to what much of the next 56 years was to bring. Liddle brought this match up in one of his columns 15 years ago - and he absolutely delighted in it.
Make no mistake - he hated us with a passion.
Anyone ever ask Millwall fans if there’s any special place in their anger for QPR?
I am aware of an incident that if not the catalyst, certainly stoked the fire.
BTW; that crowd trouble in ‘66 was provoked by a Rangers fan(s), throwing coins. Not that I was there, but an R from Wembley was nicked / ejected that day and mentioned the incident to me when I was a teenager.
BTW; that crowd trouble in ‘66 was provoked by a Rangers fan(s), throwing coins. Not that I was there, but an R from Wembley was nicked / ejected that day and mentioned the incident to me when I was a teenager.
Years back I worked with a Wall fan - Jim McDonough. Nothing like the stereotypes, one of the nicest blokes ever. Takes all sorts as they say.
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Rod Liddle - Gone on 15:55 - Aug 10 with 1010 views
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