| Man City - GUILTY 14:45 - Sep 25 with 13724 views | Northernr |
On all charges. Punishment? Errrrr, haven't decided yet.
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| Man City - GUILTY on 10:53 - Sep 26 with 1833 views | Dorse |
The verdict is unsurprising. They were bang to rights and have tried everything to kick this into the long grass. What the authorities need to do now is make sure the appeal process doesn't end up taking up the entire millennium. |  |
| 'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!' |
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| Man City - GUILTY on 10:59 - Sep 26 with 1813 views | R_from_afar |
| Man City - GUILTY on 17:23 - Sep 25 by DWQPR |
Given that Burnley were successful in suing Everton for £35million for financial impropriety then this will mean that the footballing lawyers will have a field day. Imagine that amount of lawsuits that will hit City from every other club that has played them during the time they had been cooking the books? What one big fùcking mess FFP has become. Just scrap the lot and let owners spend what they want and if that means that clubs go bust because of their and their supporters over ambition then so be it. |
I agree with you and re. this bit - "if that means that clubs go bust because of their and their supporters over ambition then so be it" - there is a simple way to protect clubs.
You do what the Canadian government does with prospective mining companies, you require them to provide a bond - cleared funds - upfront. In the mining scenario, it is used to ensure that the land can be made good once extractive activities cease. |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Man City - GUILTY on 11:07 - Sep 26 with 1773 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Man City - GUILTY on 10:59 - Sep 26 by R_from_afar |
I agree with you and re. this bit - "if that means that clubs go bust because of their and their supporters over ambition then so be it" - there is a simple way to protect clubs.
You do what the Canadian government does with prospective mining companies, you require them to provide a bond - cleared funds - upfront. In the mining scenario, it is used to ensure that the land can be made good once extractive activities cease. |
Fck em!
If we think there's been skulduggary so far, I expect its nothing compared to what will come. I wonder what the owners will do in terms of staying at the helm, and I bet there's a serious thought to 'crashing' the ship to avoid obligations and return as Manchester City 2027!
Just as CN had formed a relationship with City group, too.. |  |
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| Man City - GUILTY on 11:50 - Sep 26 with 1620 views | KensalT |
| Man City - GUILTY on 11:07 - Sep 26 by PlanetHonneywood |
Fck em!
If we think there's been skulduggary so far, I expect its nothing compared to what will come. I wonder what the owners will do in terms of staying at the helm, and I bet there's a serious thought to 'crashing' the ship to avoid obligations and return as Manchester City 2027!
Just as CN had formed a relationship with City group, too.. |
If I was City I would be tempted to take on the whole FFP nonsense as being anti-competitive.
That would give the whole game something to think about! |  | | |
| Man City - GUILTY on 12:16 - Sep 26 with 1546 views | DavieQPR |
For City supporters it could be worse. Guilty of 114 out of 115 charges. So they did get off with one. |  | | |
| Man City - GUILTY on 12:26 - Sep 26 with 1525 views | MedwayR |
| Man City - GUILTY on 10:18 - Sep 26 by KensalT |
FFP is a farce. But in this case it's also the crux of the matter.
FFP was introduced specifically to restrict Citeh’s lavish spending and to stop anyone else with massive pots of money and a dodgy reputation that needs washing from copying them.
This is the PL’s chance to really hammer that message home.
That's why I don't think City will get off lightly. |
If it’s about sportwashing then that’s what the fit & proper owners test is for, not FFP.
City’s owners just wanted to do what Abramovich, Jack Walker & many more have done but because of these silly rules resorted to ‘cheating’ just like chelsea, us and several others have.
Modern football is just VAR and FFP. |  |
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| Man City - GUILTY on 12:35 - Sep 26 with 1508 views | DejR_vu |
| Man City - GUILTY on 09:23 - Sep 26 by stevec |
Seems like they can’t banish them to the EFL as it’s a separate body, and they’re not going to throw them out altogether.
Given our £42m fine has essentially hobbled and condemned us to 10 years of bottom half of the Championship, perhaps something that eats away at them in a similar slow fashion should be carried out. Total up how many seasons indiscretions and give them a 12 point deduction for that many seasons going forward.
Will stop them winning the title and over time, top players won’t want to go there. |
If this isn’t a case worthy of expulsion, I’m not sure what is.
I can’t imagine the Premier League have any obligation to find another league for them to play in so if they can’t find one that’s just tough. There will be one though. If the Football League won’t accept them (I’m sure they will) why can’t they can go lower? If Welsh clubs can play in the EFL why can’t an English club play in Wales or Scotland? |  |
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| Man City - GUILTY on 12:41 - Sep 26 with 1487 views | R_from_afar |
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| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Man City - GUILTY on 12:42 - Sep 26 with 1482 views | BostonR |
I’d like to see the following punishment:
£2BN fine to be paid to cover potential damages claims. A separate body should be appointed to adjudicate those claims.
£500M of the £2BN to be set aside for grassroots and non-league ground improvements.
A 30 point deduction for the beginning of every season for the next 5 seasons.
5 yr transfer embargo.
Expulsion from the FA and League cups for the next 5yrs. |  | | |
| Man City - GUILTY on 12:53 - Sep 26 with 1423 views | KensalT |
| Man City - GUILTY on 12:26 - Sep 26 by MedwayR |
If it’s about sportwashing then that’s what the fit & proper owners test is for, not FFP.
City’s owners just wanted to do what Abramovich, Jack Walker & many more have done but because of these silly rules resorted to ‘cheating’ just like chelsea, us and several others have.
Modern football is just VAR and FFP. |
No, it's not.
I don't think anyone believes the UAE or Saudis got into football or golf, etc because of their love of sport. They wanted to promote the image of their countries around the world to attract business investment and tourism while the going is good because they know that oil won't last forever.
The fit and proper person test has nothing to do with politics or the motives of the buyers.
The owners test specifically looks for four things:
- Unspent criminal convictions for fraud, dishonesty, or other serious crimes.
- A history of bankruptcy or insolvency.
- Past bans from sports or professional bodies.
- Previous involvement in running multiple clubs into administration. | | | |
| Man City - GUILTY on 12:59 - Sep 26 with 1394 views | DejR_vu |
| Man City - GUILTY on 12:42 - Sep 26 by BostonR |
I’d like to see the following punishment:
£2BN fine to be paid to cover potential damages claims. A separate body should be appointed to adjudicate those claims.
£500M of the £2BN to be set aside for grassroots and non-league ground improvements.
A 30 point deduction for the beginning of every season for the next 5 seasons.
5 yr transfer embargo.
Expulsion from the FA and League cups for the next 5yrs. |
I’d look at the number of years they’ve been found to be cheating and demote them the equivalent i.e. if it’s 8 years, plus 3 years obstructing the enquiry, put them in tier 12 so that they spend atleast 11 years away from the Prem. | |
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| Man City - GUILTY on 13:11 - Sep 26 with 1357 views | charmr |
This thinking of extremely wealthy people wanting and thinking they can do exactly what they want is the real cause for concern especially globally.
Deregulate, deregulate (spoken in a dalek voice) | | | |
| Man City - GUILTY on 13:45 - Sep 26 with 1237 views | CheshireR |
It's not the first time that the team from East Manchester have been found guilty of breaking the rules.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
https://gjfootballarchive.com/
It was thought that the footballing authorities at the time issued such a heavy punishment because City were viewed as upstarts who were a threat to the then established football league clubs. |  | | |
| Man City - GUILTY on 14:28 - Sep 26 with 1141 views | MedwayR |
| Man City - GUILTY on 12:53 - Sep 26 by KensalT |
No, it's not.
I don't think anyone believes the UAE or Saudis got into football or golf, etc because of their love of sport. They wanted to promote the image of their countries around the world to attract business investment and tourism while the going is good because they know that oil won't last forever.
The fit and proper person test has nothing to do with politics or the motives of the buyers.
The owners test specifically looks for four things:
- Unspent criminal convictions for fraud, dishonesty, or other serious crimes.
- A history of bankruptcy or insolvency.
- Past bans from sports or professional bodies.
- Previous involvement in running multiple clubs into administration. |
Fine, but FFP wasn’t brought in to stop sportswashing, there’s no moral compass involved, it was simply brought in to protect the status quo. Owners spending lavishly goes back to the days of Sunderland splashing out to win their titles and probably further back than that, the idea that it should suddenly be restricted is ridiculous. If the owners aren’t putting the club in debt then what’s the problem, why is Man Utd being £1bn in debt ok but City’s owners putting money into the club an issue, it makes no sense. | |
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| Man City - GUILTY on 14:56 - Sep 26 with 1063 views | SoCal |
FFP is a joke be should not be wrapped up with unfit owners.
FFP is an arbitrary (?) ruling with no legal basis, legitimate wealthy owners should be allowed to do what they like with their hobby or any other business - provided its legal. You wouldn’t stop an art collector over paying for a Rembrandt because they liked it.
Which leads me to the main point which is this, this is how Liverpool Man Utd. Arsenal Tottenham etc built their clubs owners doing what they want, spending what they want completely unchecked.Now others want to do it’s UNFAIR. BOO HOO
I actually dont care what happens to City but loved the last 10 years of Liverpool Chelsea etc whining | | | |
| Man City - GUILTY on 15:02 - Sep 26 with 1045 views | headhoops |
Sadly, I think we all suspect it will be a another paltry punishment and the wonderful world of the Premiership will roll on and on with the rich elite getting fatter and fatter. Give it a few more years and these clubs will all be in the new Infantino World League with crypto currency the new brown bag. |  |
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| Man City - GUILTY on 15:08 - Sep 26 with 1030 views | GroveR |
| Man City - GUILTY on 12:53 - Sep 26 by KensalT |
No, it's not.
I don't think anyone believes the UAE or Saudis got into football or golf, etc because of their love of sport. They wanted to promote the image of their countries around the world to attract business investment and tourism while the going is good because they know that oil won't last forever.
The fit and proper person test has nothing to do with politics or the motives of the buyers.
The owners test specifically looks for four things:
- Unspent criminal convictions for fraud, dishonesty, or other serious crimes.
- A history of bankruptcy or insolvency.
- Past bans from sports or professional bodies.
- Previous involvement in running multiple clubs into administration. |
I think this was updated to include human rights as soon as Newcastle were bought by a state that bumps off journalists it doesn't fancy.
https://www.skysports.com/foot |  | | |
| Man City - GUILTY on 15:25 - Sep 26 with 973 views | golborne |
| Man City - GUILTY on 12:53 - Sep 26 by KensalT |
No, it's not.
I don't think anyone believes the UAE or Saudis got into football or golf, etc because of their love of sport. They wanted to promote the image of their countries around the world to attract business investment and tourism while the going is good because they know that oil won't last forever.
The fit and proper person test has nothing to do with politics or the motives of the buyers.
The owners test specifically looks for four things:
- Unspent criminal convictions for fraud, dishonesty, or other serious crimes.
- A history of bankruptcy or insolvency.
- Past bans from sports or professional bodies.
- Previous involvement in running multiple clubs into administration. |
Putins right hand man was cleaning their ill gotten gains for nearly 20 years, so far worse. I say fine City £10m, properly draw the line and move on.
Otherwise walk into every club unannounced with auditors. All these ridiculous fees being paid between certain clubs for youth players to help each other balance the books needs to stop, too.
They’re all at it. | | | |
| Man City - GUILTY on 15:41 - Sep 26 with 920 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Man City - GUILTY on 12:42 - Sep 26 by BostonR |
I’d like to see the following punishment:
£2BN fine to be paid to cover potential damages claims. A separate body should be appointed to adjudicate those claims.
£500M of the £2BN to be set aside for grassroots and non-league ground improvements.
A 30 point deduction for the beginning of every season for the next 5 seasons.
5 yr transfer embargo.
Expulsion from the FA and League cups for the next 5yrs. |
Sounds fair but in reality it will be:-
35 point deduction towards the end of this season (enough to prevent them being relegated)
transfer ban for 2 seasons (City have signed a lot more players than usual recently in anticipation of this)
£200 million fine (a drop in the ocean for them)
Nothing to see here: business as usual. |  | | |
| Man City - GUILTY on 15:55 - Sep 26 with 879 views | DWQPR |
Interesting article on the BBC. Looks like potentially our little team could be one of those who may entitled to compensation from Citeh.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/fo | |
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| Man City - GUILTY on 15:58 - Sep 26 with 870 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Man City - GUILTY on 12:53 - Sep 26 by KensalT |
No, it's not.
I don't think anyone believes the UAE or Saudis got into football or golf, etc because of their love of sport. They wanted to promote the image of their countries around the world to attract business investment and tourism while the going is good because they know that oil won't last forever.
The fit and proper person test has nothing to do with politics or the motives of the buyers.
The owners test specifically looks for four things:
- Unspent criminal convictions for fraud, dishonesty, or other serious crimes.
- A history of bankruptcy or insolvency.
- Past bans from sports or professional bodies.
- Previous involvement in running multiple clubs into administration. |
Thing is, the Arab mindset starts out big; just look at the Saudis big plans for their sovereign fund, and what's actually going to be delivered. The Dubai Emiraties have over-extended themselves massively and their Abu Dhabi cousins have had to bail them out. As for the Qataris, huge post-2022 plans, now reduced.
Always found the attention spans of some Arabs not to be as deep as their oil wells. I still think they'll look to get out before they consider staying to put right if they get hit hard. | |
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| Man City - GUILTY on 16:21 - Sep 26 with 806 views | KensalT |
| Man City - GUILTY on 14:28 - Sep 26 by MedwayR |
Fine, but FFP wasn’t brought in to stop sportswashing, there’s no moral compass involved, it was simply brought in to protect the status quo. Owners spending lavishly goes back to the days of Sunderland splashing out to win their titles and probably further back than that, the idea that it should suddenly be restricted is ridiculous. If the owners aren’t putting the club in debt then what’s the problem, why is Man Utd being £1bn in debt ok but City’s owners putting money into the club an issue, it makes no sense. |
I thought that was what I said:
"FFP was introduced specifically to restrict Citeh’s lavish spending and to stop anyone else with massive pots of money and a dodgy reputation that needs washing from copying them."
So actually we agree. FFP has always been about the tiny circle of elite clubs making sure another Man City (or Abramovich, or PSG) didn't come along and throw silly amounts of money around to buy their way to the top.
When I mentioned 'sports washing' I was hinting at the Saudis buying Newcastle.
I wasn't trying to say FFP was all about sports washing. My bad if that's how it came across! [Post edited 26 Sep 16:38]
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| Man City - GUILTY on 16:26 - Sep 26 with 798 views | KensalT |
| Man City - GUILTY on 15:58 - Sep 26 by PlanetHonneywood |
Thing is, the Arab mindset starts out big; just look at the Saudis big plans for their sovereign fund, and what's actually going to be delivered. The Dubai Emiraties have over-extended themselves massively and their Abu Dhabi cousins have had to bail them out. As for the Qataris, huge post-2022 plans, now reduced.
Always found the attention spans of some Arabs not to be as deep as their oil wells. I still think they'll look to get out before they consider staying to put right if they get hit hard. |
To be fair, there is quite a lot going on in the Middle East right now.
The oil isn't flowing as smoothly as it once was.
Football probably isn't their biggest priority at the moment! | | | |
| Man City - GUILTY on 16:33 - Sep 26 with 779 views | SK_hoops |
Imagine if we weren't safe by the time that Agueralo goal went in and we went down... | | | |
| Man City - GUILTY on 18:04 - Sep 26 with 624 views | Gus_iom |
Unpopular opinion maybe, but tbh i couldn't really give a toss about what Man City have done.
As other posters have said, ffp is there to stop new clubs competing on a level playing field with the cartel. If it hadn't been city hoovering up players and trophys, it'd been one of the old elite- Liverpool, man u etc.
It wouldn't have been us, Watford or stoke.
My hope is that they aren't relegated to the championship - they'll just cut a swathe through it next season, smashing teams all over the show and taking up a promotion place.
Their player shopping this year suggests to me that they know what's coming - massive fine and transfer embargo. [Post edited 26 Sep 18:05]
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