| Man City dodge FFP on 09:49 - Jul 13 with 3960 views | daveB |
Not really, what they were charged with was disguising equity funding as sponsorship which City have proved was not the case, the breach they were in court for was very different to what we did under different rules |  | |  |
| Man City dodge FFP on 09:51 - Jul 13 with 3948 views | loftus77 |
Got to say, stuff City - what about Sheff Wed? Any news anyone know?? |  | | |
| Man City dodge FFP on 09:54 - Jul 13 with 3925 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Man City dodge FFP on 09:49 - Jul 13 by daveB |
Not really, what they were charged with was disguising equity funding as sponsorship which City have proved was not the case, the breach they were in court for was very different to what we did under different rules |
But they broke the FFP rules and got round it....like everybody else except us. City’s defence was based on the fact FFP has not been applied to other clubs and they cited the Neymar move to PSG and the Arthur deal with Juventus. So, if everybody is breaking the rules why can’t we? There are no rules! Look at Derby etc. It’s BS to see QPR is the only club to be penalised and crippled by FFP. |  |
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| Man City dodge FFP on 09:59 - Jul 13 with 3899 views | QPR_John |
As I understand it they were not cleared of breaking the rules, I believe they still have a £10M fine, it was the extent of the punishment that was considered harsh. | | | |
| Man City dodge FFP on 09:59 - Jul 13 with 3895 views | daveB |
| Man City dodge FFP on 09:54 - Jul 13 by Northolt_Rs |
But they broke the FFP rules and got round it....like everybody else except us. City’s defence was based on the fact FFP has not been applied to other clubs and they cited the Neymar move to PSG and the Arthur deal with Juventus. So, if everybody is breaking the rules why can’t we? There are no rules! Look at Derby etc. It’s BS to see QPR is the only club to be penalised and crippled by FFP. |
We're not the only club who have been punished though, the City case was very different to our one.
I guess we'll see when Sheff Wed and Derby cases are concluded if it is worth ignoring or not, think those 2 are far more relevant to us than the city one. [Post edited 13 Jul 2020 10:00]
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| Man City dodge FFP on 10:01 - Jul 13 with 3882 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Man City dodge FFP on 09:59 - Jul 13 by daveB |
We're not the only club who have been punished though, the City case was very different to our one.
I guess we'll see when Sheff Wed and Derby cases are concluded if it is worth ignoring or not, think those 2 are far more relevant to us than the city one. [Post edited 13 Jul 2020 10:00]
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But....they broke the rules and have pretty much got away with it just like Brum, Derby, etc. Sheffield Weds will get off too... Which does mean FFP is seriously flawed and should not be allowed to cripple one club only. | |
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| Man City dodge FFP on 10:03 - Jul 13 with 3855 views | QPR_John |
| Man City dodge FFP on 10:01 - Jul 13 by Northolt_Rs |
But....they broke the rules and have pretty much got away with it just like Brum, Derby, etc. Sheffield Weds will get off too... Which does mean FFP is seriously flawed and should not be allowed to cripple one club only. |
Again they have not got away with it they have been fined £10M. This is the route I think we should have taken that the punishment was excessive and disproportionate to the crime. | | | |
| Man City dodge FFP on 10:05 - Jul 13 with 3841 views | DannyPaddox |
A City mate explained to me over the weekend it was nailed on the ban would be overturned and this will eventually lead to the unravelling of FFP rules. I wondered if there could be any future implications for our situation in light of retrospective laws being diminished. Mind you my first thought on Ghislaine Maxwell’s arrest was could this somehow lead to Oxford United being stripped of their 1986 Milk Cup Final win and the trophy being given to the runners-up - whoever they were. |  | | |
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| Man City dodge FFP on 10:07 - Jul 13 with 3825 views | daveB |
| Man City dodge FFP on 10:01 - Jul 13 by Northolt_Rs |
But....they broke the rules and have pretty much got away with it just like Brum, Derby, etc. Sheffield Weds will get off too... Which does mean FFP is seriously flawed and should not be allowed to cripple one club only. |
according to the appeal they didn't break them.
Birmingham got a 9 point deduction and the Derby and Sheff Wed cases are on going. If Derby and Sheff Wed get nothing then I completely agree with you | | | |
| Man City dodge FFP on 10:16 - Jul 13 with 3776 views | timcocking |
We've known it from day 1 |  | | |
| Man City dodge FFP on 10:45 - Jul 13 with 3678 views | Phildo |
They tried to stop them breaking in to the big boys club. That has not worked so it will have to be an invitation only euro super league.
Suspect in next 20 years promotion to an from top two leagues will go. it already likely in Rugby. They will say the clubs cannot survive otherwise but the shop will be closed. |  | | |
| Man City dodge FFP on 10:55 - Jul 13 with 3633 views | Rangers67 |
This result was as predictable as the R,s season petering out because most of the players don,t give a toss and some are already eyeing moves to other clubs after being " advised " by their agents to avoid injury etc. As has been demonstrated repeatedly the FA, the football league etc couldn,t run a bath and when it comes to the big boys, different rules apply, simple really. | | | |
| Man City dodge FFP on 11:02 - Jul 13 with 3607 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Man City dodge FFP on 10:07 - Jul 13 by daveB |
according to the appeal they didn't break them.
Birmingham got a 9 point deduction and the Derby and Sheff Wed cases are on going. If Derby and Sheff Wed get nothing then I completely agree with you |
But they have been fined an admittedly ludicrous 10 million....so they must have been found guilty of doing something wrong... The difference is their fine is pocket change to their nation state owners. Our fine has crippled the club for years. That cannot be fair. Our owners should be making plenty of noise about this clearly unfair situation. Meanwhile the FA allows complete charlatans to take ownership of clubs and destroy them - like at Bury and Wigan. T O S S E R S | |
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| Man City dodge FFP on 11:24 - Jul 13 with 3551 views | superhoopdownunder |
The most stupid thing about our fine was the person representing us Nick De Marco (apparently a QPR fan) thinks we got a great result when all of us know we got a terrible outcome (compared with other clubs)
Another person that would have made loads of money from QPR as the case went on for years. | | | |
| Man City dodge FFP on 11:28 - Jul 13 with 3538 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Our fine didn't cripple us, in fact it's only a few million a year and our owners are putting in far more than that.
What's hurting us is our continued adherence to the rules. |  |
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| Man City dodge FFP on 11:50 - Jul 13 with 3480 views | kensalriser |
| Man City dodge FFP on 11:24 - Jul 13 by superhoopdownunder |
The most stupid thing about our fine was the person representing us Nick De Marco (apparently a QPR fan) thinks we got a great result when all of us know we got a terrible outcome (compared with other clubs)
Another person that would have made loads of money from QPR as the case went on for years. |
Maybe Nick's in a better position than most to make that conclusion. |  |
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| Man City dodge FFP on 11:51 - Jul 13 with 3477 views | QPR_John |
| Man City dodge FFP on 11:28 - Jul 13 by BrianMcCarthy |
Our fine didn't cripple us, in fact it's only a few million a year and our owners are putting in far more than that.
What's hurting us is our continued adherence to the rules. |
Until the FL have been shown to be biased whether unitentionally or not in their treatment of clubs breaking FFP we have to adhere to the rules. Imagine their glee if we break the rules a second time our current predicament would be nothing to what they would inflict on us. | | | |
| Man City dodge FFP on 11:54 - Jul 13 with 3466 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Man City dodge FFP on 11:51 - Jul 13 by QPR_John |
Until the FL have been shown to be biased whether unitentionally or not in their treatment of clubs breaking FFP we have to adhere to the rules. Imagine their glee if we break the rules a second time our current predicament would be nothing to what they would inflict on us. |
I agree, John. We have no choice under the present rules. I wouldn't like to see us try to circumvent it by e.g selling our ground. | |
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| Man City dodge FFP on 11:58 - Jul 13 with 3446 views | kensalriser |
Isn't a salary cap unworkable though? So many clubs now are owned from overseas now you can easily imagine the extras paid from one Cayman Islands account to another. | |
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| Man City dodge FFP on 12:06 - Jul 13 with 3419 views | RangersDave |
while the turkeys keep voting for christmas, i cannot see anything changing.
However, it might prove advantageous to consider further legal action against the EFL for unfair restriction of trade and rules not being applied fairly across the league. |  |
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| Man City dodge FFP on 12:08 - Jul 13 with 3409 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Man City dodge FFP on 11:28 - Jul 13 by BrianMcCarthy |
Our fine didn't cripple us, in fact it's only a few million a year and our owners are putting in far more than that.
What's hurting us is our continued adherence to the rules. |
Fair point Brian. | |
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| Man City dodge FFP on 12:11 - Jul 13 with 3396 views | daveB |
| Man City dodge FFP on 11:58 - Jul 13 by kensalriser |
Isn't a salary cap unworkable though? So many clubs now are owned from overseas now you can easily imagine the extras paid from one Cayman Islands account to another. |
not really, it's easier to manage than the current rules, could work it that cap is at a set amount and you have 2 seasons to get to it which is doable for relegated teams | | | |
| Man City dodge FFP on 12:24 - Jul 13 with 3345 views | rsonist |
| Man City dodge FFP on 11:28 - Jul 13 by BrianMcCarthy |
Our fine didn't cripple us, in fact it's only a few million a year and our owners are putting in far more than that.
What's hurting us is our continued adherence to the rules. |
It's time the board were held to account for not employing the most duplicitous and conniving legal, financial, and real estate professionals available. |  | | |
| Man City dodge FFP on 12:26 - Jul 13 with 3336 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Man City dodge FFP on 12:24 - Jul 13 by rsonist |
It's time the board were held to account for not employing the most duplicitous and conniving legal, financial, and real estate professionals available. |
I mean, they haven't even rang me! | |
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| Man City dodge FFP on 12:33 - Jul 13 with 1939 views | Lblock |
"Only a few million a year"
Brian.... If I'd of uttered that phrase to you all those years ago at Willesden college during our Investment Analysis module you'd have spat your bottle of Panda Bear Cream Soda out.
That money could be going on decent infrastructure investment (yeah right) our funding the wages of yet another Premiership Academy kid we're trying to toughen up for someone else.
We got mullah'd and despite the owners sabre rattling that we'd defend ourselves to the hilt we can say, with hindsight I admit, that we got well and truly stiffed and put in our place. As can be seen by others breaking the rules, our treatment was not an example that others took on board. In the case of Brum I believe they've even broken the rules twice and still haven't had anywhere near the cross to bear that we have.
I'd be seriously questioning if I'd be paying the next instalments of our fine if I was Bungle and the Boys, seems play the long game and head to the Sport Arbitration process and you'll win. |  |
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