| Dykes 21:39 - Nov 4 with 42291 views | stainrods_elbow |
Really hope we can move him on in Jan and bring in one or two players who can really help the reshaped project, starting with breaking with years of tradition and actually investing in a striker who scores goals. He's going nowhere at QPR and just doesn't, and never will, cut the mustard. I'm afraid. He's a ram that doesn't batter, his buckle doesn't swash, and his goalscoring instincts are not so much predatory as borderline nugatory. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Millwall, say, came back in for him, he'd miraculously metamorphose into a 1 in 3 merchant who plays every week, but hopefully we'd by then be past caring. I don't want a player leading our line who scores the odd header from an occasional Chair cross but who seems mainly to care about playing for Scotland.
All being well, MC will have sussed this out in double-quick time and will be reshaping our attacking line with Smyth, Willock and Chair, and a new pivot. [Post edited 4 Nov 2023 21:43]
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| Dykes on 21:13 - Nov 12 with 2749 views | QPROslo |
| Dykes on 15:45 - Nov 12 by derbyhoop |
Even if you do, can we fund a replacement? If not, and I believe that is the case, you're reliant on Armstrong, Kelman and Kolli.
It was also noticeable that Bristol didnt offer a threat until Armstrong replaced Dykes. |
And EDB replaced Colbakk. |  | | |
| Dykes on 21:20 - Nov 12 with 2726 views | baz_qpr |
| Dykes on 15:45 - Nov 12 by derbyhoop |
Even if you do, can we fund a replacement? If not, and I believe that is the case, you're reliant on Armstrong, Kelman and Kolli.
It was also noticeable that Bristol didnt offer a threat until Armstrong replaced Dykes. |
Dykes definitely defends well and better than Armstrong, but our legs had gone by then as well, Smyth was done after 70 minutes, Dozzell earlier, Kakay after 80mins. Personally I would have left Dykes on hooked Smyth put Willock on the right and played Armstrong wide left for that last 15 minutes, the one thing Dykes does have that many of our team dont have is stamina |  | | |
| Dykes on 10:01 - Nov 13 with 2488 views | TheChef |
Two weeks now for Marti to sort out our forward play and getting us scoring more goals.
Trust the process. |  |
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| Dykes on 10:26 - Nov 13 with 2448 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Dykes on 21:20 - Nov 12 by baz_qpr |
Dykes definitely defends well and better than Armstrong, but our legs had gone by then as well, Smyth was done after 70 minutes, Dozzell earlier, Kakay after 80mins. Personally I would have left Dykes on hooked Smyth put Willock on the right and played Armstrong wide left for that last 15 minutes, the one thing Dykes does have that many of our team dont have is stamina |
Maybe Marti was going full Angeball for the win but just can't see a Championship specialist like Warnock removing one of our few tall players and leaving us without the ability to press their back 4 and leaving us susceptible to their defenders pushing forward overloading us in midfield + overpowering us at set pieces.
Last 15 think we got away with what would have been a morale crushing defeat, he has few options but EDB for Dozzell and Tyler Roberts for Willock would have been safer if we weren't changing formation. | | | |
| Dykes on 10:28 - Nov 13 with 2439 views | daveB |
I think Colback going off had a far bigger effect on them getting back in the game than Dykes.
Dykes did ok but was being dominated by Dickie really and the one time we out a great ball in again, willock this time, he was on his heels and nowhere near it |  | | |
| Dykes on 10:58 - Nov 13 with 2339 views | Rs_Holy |
| Dykes on 15:44 - Nov 12 by OutintheOrne |
I'm pretty certain that under the decent coaching that they will now be getting we will see improvement in all of the players you mentioned. Dykes is capable of 15 in a season when his confidence is not shot. I'm hopeful Cifuentes will get that out of him. The difference already is promising. Still a lot of points to play for but I'm a great deal more optimistic. |
In fairness there was something about Dykes that Warnock really liked when he did co-comms for Sky a while back... When I first saw him play I was hoping he'd be a Niall Quinn type player but unfortunately his hold up play is not up to that standard... You see glimpses in Dykes and think there is potential there but too often in games he is totally anonymous! |  | | |
| Dykes on 12:09 - Nov 13 with 2213 views | terryb |
| Dykes on 10:01 - Nov 13 by TheChef |
Two weeks now for Marti to sort out our forward play and getting us scoring more goals.
Trust the process. |
Won't that be two weeks with Dykes & Armstrong on international duty? | | | |
| Dykes on 12:21 - Nov 13 with 2179 views | Loftgirl |
| Dykes on 12:09 - Nov 13 by terryb |
Won't that be two weeks with Dykes & Armstrong on international duty? |
That might be a good thing. |  | | |
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| Dykes on 12:24 - Nov 13 with 2163 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Dykes on 10:28 - Nov 13 by daveB |
I think Colback going off had a far bigger effect on them getting back in the game than Dykes.
Dykes did ok but was being dominated by Dickie really and the one time we out a great ball in again, willock this time, he was on his heels and nowhere near it |
Dominated by Dickie?
Dickie provided the assist for our only shot on target with a superb knockdown header to Dykes on the edge of the box, yet again demonstrating in case we forgot just how weak he is physically when put under any pressure.
The one time is our problem, one decent ball in an average 90 minutes and if either Dykes (or Armstrong who had a better ball from Kakay to attack) are not in the right place at the right time that's game over for us.
We have to create more. | | | |
| Dykes on 12:48 - Nov 13 with 2076 views | Loyalitat |
| Dykes on 10:28 - Nov 13 by daveB |
I think Colback going off had a far bigger effect on them getting back in the game than Dykes.
Dykes did ok but was being dominated by Dickie really and the one time we out a great ball in again, willock this time, he was on his heels and nowhere near it |
Thought Dickie had a very good game for them both defensively and his ability with the ball when bringing it out of defence alongside his involvement higher up the pitch on occasions. Also appeared to be a lot more vocal with his confidence clearly restored. [Post edited 13 Nov 2023 12:49]
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| Dykes on 13:02 - Nov 13 with 2037 views | gazza1 |
Sorry PRR and all the other Dykes fans but Dykes is not good enough for a poor outfit like QPR, there is really no debate. I am sure there are better players in the Conference League that would lead the line better. He has one main job to do, imho, score goals (& he fails to do that and the stats prove it), and he also has a bit of general play like 'holding the ball up & bring other players into play' (which he does pretty infrequently) plus win a few headers (which again he frequently fails to do as well). Yes, examples will be given that he does do these things but generally and frequently he fails. | | | |
| Dykes on 13:12 - Nov 13 with 2006 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Dykes on 12:09 - Nov 13 by terryb |
Won't that be two weeks with Dykes & Armstrong on international duty? |
Fair point. A shame, that. |  |
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| Dykes on 13:25 - Nov 13 with 1966 views | TheChef |
| Dykes on 12:09 - Nov 13 by terryb |
Won't that be two weeks with Dykes & Armstrong on international duty? |
The false nine approach it is then! | |
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| Dykes on 14:24 - Nov 13 with 1860 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Dykes on 13:02 - Nov 13 by gazza1 |
Sorry PRR and all the other Dykes fans but Dykes is not good enough for a poor outfit like QPR, there is really no debate. I am sure there are better players in the Conference League that would lead the line better. He has one main job to do, imho, score goals (& he fails to do that and the stats prove it), and he also has a bit of general play like 'holding the ball up & bring other players into play' (which he does pretty infrequently) plus win a few headers (which again he frequently fails to do as well). Yes, examples will be given that he does do these things but generally and frequently he fails. |
Gazza,
Our attack has been reliant on Dozell in transition and Chair to open up defences as we know (and Warburton knew) Dykes is not and never has been a prolific goalscorer,
My solution, failing to coach Chair to pass 1st time + getting Dozell to find 2nd let alone 3rd gear, would be to play a 4-2-3-1 with Smyth + Chair Interchanging on the right + centre, so we have at least 1 player within 20 yards of Dykes who can commit to attack the penalty box,
If chasing the game, EDB could potentially replace Colback in the 2,
If we do not drop Dozell and do not switch to a 3 playing off Dykes we will see a defensive set-up like Saturday and will not create more than our current average of 1 maximum 2 per game and we will be relegated. | | | |
| Dykes on 14:53 - Nov 13 with 1792 views | Rangersw12 |
| Dykes on 14:24 - Nov 13 by ParkRoyalR |
Gazza,
Our attack has been reliant on Dozell in transition and Chair to open up defences as we know (and Warburton knew) Dykes is not and never has been a prolific goalscorer,
My solution, failing to coach Chair to pass 1st time + getting Dozell to find 2nd let alone 3rd gear, would be to play a 4-2-3-1 with Smyth + Chair Interchanging on the right + centre, so we have at least 1 player within 20 yards of Dykes who can commit to attack the penalty box,
If chasing the game, EDB could potentially replace Colback in the 2,
If we do not drop Dozell and do not switch to a 3 playing off Dykes we will see a defensive set-up like Saturday and will not create more than our current average of 1 maximum 2 per game and we will be relegated. |
Jesus your defense of Dykes is even more tiresome than your obsession with Austin
In the last 2 games your mate had 2 very presentable crosses to win us the game and he failed on both occasions to even conect
He's the reason we will go down although I see you're now trying to blame Dozzell and Chair on your mates obvious shortcomings
Just accept it he's shit and if we have any chance of staying up we hope someone is stupid enough to buy him in January | | | |
| Dykes on 14:55 - Nov 13 with 1788 views | mart_Goblin |
| Dykes on 12:09 - Nov 13 by terryb |
Won't that be two weeks with Dykes & Armstrong on international duty? |
And Smyth |  | | |
| Dykes on 15:17 - Nov 13 with 1752 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Dykes on 14:53 - Nov 13 by Rangersw12 |
Jesus your defense of Dykes is even more tiresome than your obsession with Austin
In the last 2 games your mate had 2 very presentable crosses to win us the game and he failed on both occasions to even conect
He's the reason we will go down although I see you're now trying to blame Dozzell and Chair on your mates obvious shortcomings
Just accept it he's shit and if we have any chance of staying up we hope someone is stupid enough to buy him in January |
Did'nt have an obsession with Austin, just pointed out, as another recent poster pointed out on the Mount Rushmore thread, that the bloke's a wrong'un, took the club and its fans for mugs, leaving us so fxxked on FFP that we now can't afford to upgrade on Kelman let alone Dykes.
Armstrong had a similar cross on Saturday to Dykes's at Rotherham and did'nt connect, yet not a mention of being on his heels or any of the other out-dated cliche's we regularly hear on this forum (my favourite being Chair does'nt pass 1st time as he does'nt rate any of his team-mates).
Dozzell cost more than Dykes and came in on higher wages, is supposedly our creative midfielder, did'nt create a single goal-scoring chance on Saturday and has provided on average 1 assist per season, and yet, not a hint of criticism or recognition he could be the root of our problems.
Dykes has his short-comings (not being a natural finisher, but neither was Hughill) but if Steve Clarke and Neil Warnock rate him, he's good enough for a lower mid-table Championship Club, which is what we are, bar a purple-patch with Eze and Willock. | | | |
| Dykes on 15:33 - Nov 13 with 1713 views | NorthantsHoop |
His main problem is a lack of ball control skills, you either have it or you don't . He just does not look a natural football player, to lead the line you need to be able to trap a ball draw in players right and left and finally get in the right positions to score. I find his positioning in the box bizarre most of the time when watching never seems to be in the mix. If he does score it will be a flying header very non poacher like and the longer he has to make a decision on shooting he usually misses or hits it straight at the keeper. I have never forgotten how he missed an open goal at the School End during the 0-0 Stoke game in the 20/21 season I was aghast right behind the goal at the miss. |  | | |
| Dykes on 16:02 - Nov 13 with 1631 views | Loyalitat |
| Dykes on 15:33 - Nov 13 by NorthantsHoop |
His main problem is a lack of ball control skills, you either have it or you don't . He just does not look a natural football player, to lead the line you need to be able to trap a ball draw in players right and left and finally get in the right positions to score. I find his positioning in the box bizarre most of the time when watching never seems to be in the mix. If he does score it will be a flying header very non poacher like and the longer he has to make a decision on shooting he usually misses or hits it straight at the keeper. I have never forgotten how he missed an open goal at the School End during the 0-0 Stoke game in the 20/21 season I was aghast right behind the goal at the miss. |
Totally agree with your assessment. Interesting to hear Mark Robins say over the weekend that he believes anticipation can't be taught, in his eyes it's innate. It was self-evident with Austin and even dare I say it, on occasions, with Martin last season making the type of runs that are lacking in Dykes' game. I'm not calling for Martin's return even if he were available.
I also fear that he may not make the final squad for the Euros with Scotland. Many of his rivals, real or potential at this stage, now play in the same division as him and have scored more than him to date: Hardie; Adams; Nisbet; and Stewart's now back from injury. He needs to start scoring not just for our sake but to stave off the competition for his place in the Scotland squad. [Post edited 13 Nov 2023 16:24]
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| Dykes on 09:37 - Nov 14 with 1344 views | gazza1 |
| Dykes on 14:24 - Nov 13 by ParkRoyalR |
Gazza,
Our attack has been reliant on Dozell in transition and Chair to open up defences as we know (and Warburton knew) Dykes is not and never has been a prolific goalscorer,
My solution, failing to coach Chair to pass 1st time + getting Dozell to find 2nd let alone 3rd gear, would be to play a 4-2-3-1 with Smyth + Chair Interchanging on the right + centre, so we have at least 1 player within 20 yards of Dykes who can commit to attack the penalty box,
If chasing the game, EDB could potentially replace Colback in the 2,
If we do not drop Dozell and do not switch to a 3 playing off Dykes we will see a defensive set-up like Saturday and will not create more than our current average of 1 maximum 2 per game and we will be relegated. |
You can bring in other players into the equation PRR but as I have stated he fails to do stuff when he is fed the ball or has the ball as an outlet - he just does not do the stuff I would expect of a QPR CF.
You do not need to tell me that he is not a prolific goalscorer, the stats tell me that & I watch him playing many times!!!
He really is not good enough, I really do not understand why you are so supportive of such a poor & 'proper' limited, CF. Our forward line must do better as well as our forward thinking players. [Post edited 14 Nov 2023 9:38]
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| Dykes on 09:51 - Nov 14 with 1295 views | terryb |
| Dykes on 17:41 - Nov 11 by Rangersw12 |
His general play is poor though
Doesn't hold the ball up , awful first touch , doesn't win any headers and when he does get a decent cross because apparently it's not his fault it's down to the service he was miles away from it a bit like the cross last week at Rotherham |
You've correctly applied this to Dykes. However, change Rotherham to Bristol City & it describes Armstrong!
The truth is that we don't have a forward (add Kelman to the pair) that looks as if they will ever score a goal.
I have no idea how Cifuentes deals with this problem. | | | |
| Dykes on 09:54 - Nov 14 with 1286 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Lyndon Dykes: 4.2 Games Per Goal
Tony Thorpe: 4.1 Games Per Goal
Fck off Tony. Nothing worse than a bitter ex pro. |  | | |
| Dykes on 09:56 - Nov 14 with 1285 views | Northernr |
| Dykes on 09:51 - Nov 14 by terryb |
You've correctly applied this to Dykes. However, change Rotherham to Bristol City & it describes Armstrong!
The truth is that we don't have a forward (add Kelman to the pair) that looks as if they will ever score a goal.
I have no idea how Cifuentes deals with this problem. |
If we can't get a half decent striker on loan in January, budgetary reasons or whatever, then we'll go down. Unless he can recreate the 'false nine' stuff he worked in Sweden with a collection of Chair, Willock, Dixon-Bonner etc. And, hey, maybe even #TeeeeeeRichStarrrrr - although he's going to have to learn what colour our shirt is before he's allowed out there again. |  | | |
| Dykes on 10:08 - Nov 14 with 1238 views | TheChef |
| Dykes on 15:33 - Nov 13 by NorthantsHoop |
His main problem is a lack of ball control skills, you either have it or you don't . He just does not look a natural football player, to lead the line you need to be able to trap a ball draw in players right and left and finally get in the right positions to score. I find his positioning in the box bizarre most of the time when watching never seems to be in the mix. If he does score it will be a flying header very non poacher like and the longer he has to make a decision on shooting he usually misses or hits it straight at the keeper. I have never forgotten how he missed an open goal at the School End during the 0-0 Stoke game in the 20/21 season I was aghast right behind the goal at the miss. |
Hmmm so he should have opted for rugby league or Aussie rules then? | |
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| Dykes on 10:11 - Nov 14 with 1235 views | GaryBannister86 |
Honestly, I think everyone's gone bonkers. Sure, Dykes is out of form, but why won't it come back, especially under a proper coach and manager? He's proved he can play - I don't know why people are so quick to forget that - especially with better tactics.
If anyone thinks we are going to get better than Dykes in the loan market then good luck to you and I hope you are right.
He's an international striker. Given support by us, the right tactics, a bit of luck - he will be fine. I don't understand why we have to be so down on him?
Yet someone like Kakay finally manages to have a decent game and "he's one of our own" and "always give his all". Dykes is a million times the more valuable footballer to us in my eyes. | | | |
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