| HS2 13:06 - Oct 4 with 11243 views | loftboy |
Effectively cancelled north of Birmingham, nothing mentioned about the poor buggers who had their homes compulsory purchased. |  |
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| HS2 on 13:28 - Oct 4 with 6769 views | Hayesender |
This country is a fcking joke. Japan built a whole high Speen rail network for their Olympics, in 1964 |  |
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| HS2 on 13:31 - Oct 4 with 6757 views | G_Ottershaw |
come the next election, i'll be lumping money on the party responsible to be effectively cancelled, bunch of know nothing, self serving c **ts! |  | | |
| HS2 on 13:32 - Oct 4 with 6751 views | QPRConor2000 |
| HS2 on 13:28 - Oct 4 by Hayesender |
This country is a fcking joke. Japan built a whole high Speen rail network for their Olympics, in 1964 |
HS2 is already being built, they even passed legislation in 2021 which basically covered the land sales for Phase 2 and the design.
Utterly shocking decision. | | | |
| HS2 on 13:32 - Oct 4 with 6752 views | bosh67 |
Sadly the government are wildly out of control. They've contributed massively to the carbon footprint and national debt without achieving anything. Well, 13 minutes off a train ride back and forth. |  |
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| HS2 on 13:35 - Oct 4 with 6731 views | PlanetHonneywood |
The sooner these clowns are sent packing, the better!
Truss' budget, millions wasted on dodgy PPE contracts, the shambles the Covid Inquiry will reveal, and now HS2...party of financial prudence my 'arris!! |  |
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| HS2 on 13:35 - Oct 4 with 6732 views | Hoopstar |
I mean I have no love at all for the Tories but even by their, in my view, incredibly low standards this beggars belief as a decision.
It gets harder and harder to recognise the country I have lived in nearly all my life. |  | | |
| HS2 on 13:53 - Oct 4 with 6672 views | ted_hendrix |
The Coronavirus public inquiry Is still ongoing, as far as I'm concerned they can hound that evil lying revolting cringeworthy vicious fat skunk Johnson to death. |  |
| My Father had a profound influence on me, he was a lunatic. |
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| HS2 on 14:01 - Oct 4 with 6647 views | Tonto |
lets get one thing clear, HS2 is a badly thought out and run project. we need a high speed rail network but the route is rubbish (it should link up with HS1, it should go to the centre of Birmingham and Manchester and should also go up to Glasgow IMO, but I am but a humble transport planner who's professional opinions usually ignored by politics). the cost overruns are horrific because the original cost estimate was woefully inadequate. so its hard to defend something that's.. well a bit crap, but better than not having it (a bit like the EU).
but having started it, the London to Birmingham section is, going to be pointless. so its better to complete the thing than leave it half done. |  |
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| HS2 on 14:06 - Oct 4 with 6632 views | R_from_afar |
The Tories say that circumstances and rail travel trends have changed, so they have acted.
There was a decision point for the London to Birmingham leg after Covid had led to a change in working patterns, but they chose to press ahead anyway. That makes the decision today appear very hypocritical. |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| HS2 on 14:06 - Oct 4 with 6627 views | bob566 |
Brexit numbskull farage in attendance at tory conference. Is he going to rejoin them. | | | |
| HS2 on 14:08 - Oct 4 with 6606 views | Hayesender |
And not one person will be held responsible | |
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| HS2 on 14:14 - Oct 4 with 6599 views | R_from_afar |
| HS2 on 14:01 - Oct 4 by Tonto |
lets get one thing clear, HS2 is a badly thought out and run project. we need a high speed rail network but the route is rubbish (it should link up with HS1, it should go to the centre of Birmingham and Manchester and should also go up to Glasgow IMO, but I am but a humble transport planner who's professional opinions usually ignored by politics). the cost overruns are horrific because the original cost estimate was woefully inadequate. so its hard to defend something that's.. well a bit crap, but better than not having it (a bit like the EU).
but having started it, the London to Birmingham section is, going to be pointless. so its better to complete the thing than leave it half done. |
Quizzed by a BBC reporter about Sunak's landmark decision to scrap the northern leg of HS2, Birmingham pensioner Doreen Blanchflower commented: "I don't know what all the fuss is about. I've always dreamed of getting to Old Oak Common more quickly and now I can. Well done Rishi".
* Some words and other details changed for dramatic purposes. Always read the label | |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| HS2 on 14:17 - Oct 4 with 6578 views | MedwayR |
It was doomed to fail from day one.
In my opinion it should've run via Luton airport with the funding for Heathrow going there instead, an opportunity to pump money into a deprived area with high speed rail into London and Birmingham makes sense to me.
I would now say they should do the Liverpool-Manchester-Leeds section as a priority and join it up with Birmingham later, that would at least give the north a boost. |  |
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| HS2 on 14:24 - Oct 4 with 6551 views | Juzzie |
People will still carry on voting for them as the mindset is so entrenched. We've seen it on here so many times. Not saying anyone else is better (before anyone starts that train, unintentional pun, of thought). |  | | |
| HS2 on 14:46 - Oct 4 with 6505 views | derbyhoop |
I recently went to Lille, via 2 x TGVs, a regional train and Paris metro. 4 trains in each direction, all ran on time. Travelled first class on TGVs for an extra 5€. Whole trip cost 160€.
Now compare that to the train service in UK.
It's an awful decision, despite the escalating costs. Most benefits arise when there is a London, not OOC, to Manchester line. Does anybody seriously expect that the monies will be diverted, in full, to improved E-W services? |  |
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| HS2 on 14:54 - Oct 4 with 6472 views | LazyFan |
| HS2 on 14:06 - Oct 4 by R_from_afar |
The Tories say that circumstances and rail travel trends have changed, so they have acted.
There was a decision point for the London to Birmingham leg after Covid had led to a change in working patterns, but they chose to press ahead anyway. That makes the decision today appear very hypocritical. |
You will notice that even though they say "circumstances have changed", these never change to considering a FULL renationalisation (for the second time), even just as an option, which they would then discard obviously. So, it's not even an option anywhere!
Yet they keep claiming that private enterprise is more efficient than a nationalised service.
But remember, anyone is better than Corbyn (make sure you roll your eyes when his name is mentioned). You know, May, Johnson, Truss, Sunak, Starmer. All better than Corbyn, we are told (remember to roll your eyes as if it's correct).
Think how much worse it would have been with Corbyn (roll eyes); if you think of it that way, you can see how lucky we were with May, Johnson, Truss, Sunak and soon Starmer.
How fortunate we are ... as anyone is better than ... |  |
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| HS2 on 15:00 - Oct 4 with 6438 views | Gloucs_R |
Looks at comments...
Remembers his promise for rejoining this message board....
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| HS2 on 15:16 - Oct 4 with 6339 views | robith |
Wilson once spoke of "thirteen wasted years"
We've had thirteen wasteful years. Absolute clown college |  | | |
| HS2 on 15:17 - Oct 4 with 6333 views | NorthantsHoop |
I worked for DfT for many years before early retirement, let's just say HS2 has been a problem child from the day that the government decided to set up HS2 Ltd to deliver the project. I would assume if a Labour government is elected next year the northern leg of HS2 will be back on the agenda again. This political decision by Sunak most likely is about setting traps for an incoming Labour government and anyway the re-development of Euston, alongside re-developing Birmingham centre within the project was always key to the actual aims of a new high speed railway, never felt there was much interest in going up to Leeds or Manchester as this all seemed a bit too hard, but as usual was played along with and has affected/blighted the future of people living in the affected areas sadly. Many of us early doors thought the project would not be able to be delivered for the original budget and within the timeframe. The suggestions by Andy Street and Andy Burnham to engage the private sector in a greater partnership with government and local authorities seem most sensible, be interesting to see how this plays out. [Post edited 4 Oct 2023 15:24]
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| HS2 on 15:35 - Oct 4 with 6283 views | terryb |
Have I dreamt it , or will the London Birmingham route take longer to travel from Euston to New Street than it currently does, due to having to commute to both city centres? | | | |
| HS2 on 15:39 - Oct 4 with 6260 views | HAYESBOY |
Jesus H this lot know how to waist money.
3bn already spent on compulsory land purchase for the Manchester link. Now down the toilet. |  |
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| HS2 on 15:41 - Oct 4 with 6250 views | RBlock |
| HS2 on 15:17 - Oct 4 by NorthantsHoop |
I worked for DfT for many years before early retirement, let's just say HS2 has been a problem child from the day that the government decided to set up HS2 Ltd to deliver the project. I would assume if a Labour government is elected next year the northern leg of HS2 will be back on the agenda again. This political decision by Sunak most likely is about setting traps for an incoming Labour government and anyway the re-development of Euston, alongside re-developing Birmingham centre within the project was always key to the actual aims of a new high speed railway, never felt there was much interest in going up to Leeds or Manchester as this all seemed a bit too hard, but as usual was played along with and has affected/blighted the future of people living in the affected areas sadly. Many of us early doors thought the project would not be able to be delivered for the original budget and within the timeframe. The suggestions by Andy Street and Andy Burnham to engage the private sector in a greater partnership with government and local authorities seem most sensible, be interesting to see how this plays out. [Post edited 4 Oct 2023 15:24]
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I'd love to see Labour revive it after the GE, however there is now reports that the Tories are selling off land on the cheap, that was expensively CPO'd and planned for HS2 2nd leg. This would really hamstring any Labour plans to resurrect it, no?
Also, a lot of aspersions being cast that one of the reasons the project costs escalated was the tunnelling through the home counties to avoid upsetting Tory voting constituencies in the home counties. Sounds like a bit of a stretch to me. |  | | |
| HS2 on 15:48 - Oct 4 with 6216 views | terryb |
| HS2 on 15:41 - Oct 4 by RBlock |
I'd love to see Labour revive it after the GE, however there is now reports that the Tories are selling off land on the cheap, that was expensively CPO'd and planned for HS2 2nd leg. This would really hamstring any Labour plans to resurrect it, no?
Also, a lot of aspersions being cast that one of the reasons the project costs escalated was the tunnelling through the home counties to avoid upsetting Tory voting constituencies in the home counties. Sounds like a bit of a stretch to me. |
I think the tunnelling was because the route would go through areas of Natural Beauty & these are very much a no go throughout the land.
HS1 is one of the major reasons that the Lib Dems are doing so well in Bucks & Berks. I don't think it's the reason for their upsurge in Herts though. | | | |
| HS2 on 15:49 - Oct 4 with 6214 views | joe90 |
An artist 'impression' of the Old Oak Common station, beautiful isn't it? Only thing missing is a little football stadium : ) |  | | |
| HS2 on 15:54 - Oct 4 with 6189 views | Toast_R |
Very much like our own Warren Farm ambitions. The bureaucracy and rising costs fighting various challenges, in the end its just easier to f*ck the thing off. |  | | |
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