| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread 11:48 - Dec 28 with 31815 views | BlackCrowe |
May as well give it a crack...
1-1. Gus Caesar. |  |
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| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 23:44 - Dec 29 with 1402 views | ManinBlack |
The frustration is we struggle to beat Albion whether they are good or bad and tonight they had one of their worst sides to play against us but again we lose at the Hawthorns. They even scored our goal for us which was probably our only effort on target. The objective of the game is to score goals so barely mustering any shots rather contravenes the purpose of playing the game.
Still why worry we do this all the time! Up next Norwich who we have beaten once in about 11 games and Sheffield Wednesday who have not lost to us in the last five meetings. There are certain clubs in this league who we are averse to beating no matter how rancid they are playing or whatever crisis they face at the time we meet them as tonight showed. |  | | |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 00:16 - Dec 30 with 1215 views | eastside_r |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 23:26 - Dec 29 by ted_hendrix |
Nobody at the club should be anywhere near remotely satisfied with tonight's performance.
A thoroughly bad day at the office tonight, but we gotta move on. |
Succinct and spot on.
We got what we deserved from this game. F*ck All. [Post edited 30 Dec 0:16]
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| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 00:34 - Dec 30 with 1147 views | Nov77 |
Didn’t see the game but was listening to it on bbc radio London. Steve Morrison, ex-millwall, was co-commentator. From early on he had us sussed, said we couldn’t defend set pieces, was pointing out which of their players were unmarked, predicted the second goal before it happened.
He was NOT impressed with Kone.
So disappointing but also so ball-achingly predictable. West Brom on a poor run and we don’t have a single shot on target. |  |
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| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 01:29 - Dec 30 with 1029 views | sdm1508 |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 23:42 - Dec 29 by stainrods_elbow |
I feel the result and performance tonight, but not only tonight, now puts the manager and team under a degree of pressure for the next two home games. We need two convincing performances and six points to get our credibility properly back.
I hope for both, but, right now, it's hope as much as expectation. Right now, two ropey draws (or worse) wouldn't surprise me. Hope to Christ I'm wrong. I predicted 4 points from these 3 games on my recent poll, and, having glumly called tonight's result correctly, it's looking like the best we can expect. |
Oh one of your special polls to see how man people think you are right. God you crave being right don't you. You'd be happy if we did shit the rest of the season if you predicted it. Couple of bad performances. We move on. Not you. You use it to have a go at everything at the club. If people don't agree then you have higher standards and expectations. Get rid of them all. Not good enough. Over react much. Have a night off little fella. |  | | |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 01:43 - Dec 30 with 990 views | Match82 |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 21:59 - Dec 29 by numptydumpty |
Even professional footballers need game time to get up to speed and many being thrown into positions that are not natural for them.
Kone - upfront on his own - didnt work
Morrison - first game for ages - decent but average at best
Esquerdinha - young guy with Harrison Ashby vibes not ready at this level
Field - Number Ten - Really ??
Poku - Decent for first full game but feeling his way in.
Hamer - Awful today for me and with him being selected ahead of our two actual goalkeepers, for me post January, could be all change with all three moved on.
Vale - Bit much to throw him on, with ten to go and no recent playing time. Surely it should have been Smyth.
Appreciate we need to rotate a little but so many changes in personnel and in their assigned roles, we managed to seriously confuse ourselves.
Its the championship though. We werent whipped and had the odd chance and despite all, we are still not world beaters that beat all comers !!! |
Vale was utterly awful tonight. But isn't throw them on for 10 minutes at the end of a game the best possible way to ease players back? If he hadn't messed up literally every touch he took, we'd be saying "at least he got some minutes in him" |  | | |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 02:02 - Dec 30 with 934 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 01:29 - Dec 30 by sdm1508 |
Oh one of your special polls to see how man people think you are right. God you crave being right don't you. You'd be happy if we did shit the rest of the season if you predicted it. Couple of bad performances. We move on. Not you. You use it to have a go at everything at the club. If people don't agree then you have higher standards and expectations. Get rid of them all. Not good enough. Over react much. Have a night off little fella. |
You're 100% wrong, but you're so bitter and full of lothing yourself you don't see it. I would have loved the team to go and thrust my words and prophecies down my throat tonight, as I've often invited them to do on here. Sadly, they couldn't, and I'm stuck with them - and you, it seems. |  |
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| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 06:20 - Dec 30 with 752 views | kernowhoop |
For much of the first half, it almost appeared that WBA may have had more players on the pitch.
The second half was very different. Despite the goal, we had offered no real threat in the first 45 minutes, so the way in which we began the second half must have been a shock to the home team. Am I the only one to commend the effort that went in in the second half? It may not have delivered a goal (or even many shots) and too often the effort was greater than the guile, but, until the end I felt that an equaliser might well come. | | | |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 06:43 - Dec 30 with 720 views | FDC |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 02:02 - Dec 30 by stainrods_elbow |
You're 100% wrong, but you're so bitter and full of lothing yourself you don't see it. I would have loved the team to go and thrust my words and prophecies down my throat tonight, as I've often invited them to do on here. Sadly, they couldn't, and I'm stuck with them - and you, it seems. |
"my words and prophecies"
Lol you self-aggrandizing berk.
Have to say, you're rapturous doom-posting made a bad evening significantly harder to take last night - back on "ignore" you go. |  | | |
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| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 08:16 - Dec 30 with 526 views | daveB |
Ultimately whatever team is picked we’re neither great or dreadful, we’ll have some good days and some bad for the rest of the season and finish somewhere between 6th and 16th, I know that’s boring but that’s what mid table teams do.
It's the same across the league Watford look world beaters one week and can't kick a ball the next, same as Birmingham, Southampton, Derby, Leicester. It's a mad league this year, no one is brilliant and not many are dreadful |  | | |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 08:40 - Dec 30 with 429 views | cyprusmel |
Lots of opinions as usual about what went wrong and who's fault it was but I have to be honest, when I saw the team Julian picked for the game there was no doubt in my mind it couldn't win, very disjointed and unbalanced.
If your going to play the young Brazilian at left back he should have played Smyth in front of him as many on this board recognise as being our best wing defender.
Slow with the substitutions again.
If the board bought this manager in because they thought he could handle 3 game weeks, it's not working. | | | |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 08:45 - Dec 30 with 390 views | BlackCrowe |
I said to young Crowe when i saw the line up, that it was team picked to try and ensure a couple of wins at home on 1 and 4 Jan. Felt like yesterday's team selection was purely about saving legs for those games and if we should chance on a point or three then that's a bonus. | |
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| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 09:02 - Dec 30 with 349 views | Superhoops2808 |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 08:45 - Dec 30 by BlackCrowe |
I said to young Crowe when i saw the line up, that it was team picked to try and ensure a couple of wins at home on 1 and 4 Jan. Felt like yesterday's team selection was purely about saving legs for those games and if we should chance on a point or three then that's a bonus. |
Did you also vow to young Crowe that in future you will leave starting a match thread to the experts #askingforafriend   |  | | |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 09:14 - Dec 30 with 283 views | londonscottish |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 08:45 - Dec 30 by BlackCrowe |
I said to young Crowe when i saw the line up, that it was team picked to try and ensure a couple of wins at home on 1 and 4 Jan. Felt like yesterday's team selection was purely about saving legs for those games and if we should chance on a point or three then that's a bonus. |
That's how I saw it.
Hoping for another decent performance at home on Thursday with something approaching a full strength squad |  |
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| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 09:21 - Dec 30 with 251 views | BlackCrowe |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 09:02 - Dec 30 by Superhoops2808 |
Did you also vow to young Crowe that in future you will leave starting a match thread to the experts #askingforafriend |
It will never NEVER happen again. | |
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| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 09:31 - Dec 30 with 196 views | sdm1508 |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 02:02 - Dec 30 by stainrods_elbow |
You're 100% wrong, but you're so bitter and full of lothing yourself you don't see it. I would have loved the team to go and thrust my words and prophecies down my throat tonight, as I've often invited them to do on here. Sadly, they couldn't, and I'm stuck with them - and you, it seems. |
Happy to be proved wrong but when we have a bad night and that is all it was, a bad night. You won't shut up about how you were right. You go from zero to 100, wanting everyone out the club. Hate them all, don't trust them or the manager. Posting all over the place just to put the boot in and go on about how you knew it would happen. When we saw that team we knew what would happen. We were shocking tonight and there other week we played well. It happens. Is it annoying yes. Are we inconsistent, yes. Get a grip. As for being bitter and full of loathing. I am a fun easy going person, but when it comes to the way you speak to others on here and the way you conduct yourself, I speak up. I channel my inner Stainrod before I type. So it's funny you detest what I write and probably more the tone, as i learned from the best | | | |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 09:32 - Dec 30 with 194 views | PlanetHonneywood |
It's not the defeat per se that annoys, God knows we've had enough experience of the phenomena down the years, but what does really boil the urine, is the manner of it is too frequent.
Team selection not really geared up to be the away side and one where there were just too many changes all in one go; our passing and basic control of the ball was dreadful last night; and yet again, we've let a team low on confidence off the hook by not only being the author of our own misfortunes, but just looking well off it and clueless as to how to turn it around.
All that considered, it's particularly annoying when you think how well we can and have been playing at times. The truth of QPR lays somewhere between that which was served up at Carrow Road and the first half against LCFC. Last night, all that was needed was someone in a QPR shirt to get a hold of things, rattle a few cages, and pull a few strings to make more of the effort that was there (certainly didn't think it was a case of not turning up).
Sort out that inconsistency and tendency to make numerous silly and avoidable mistakes in-game, then we can go on to a thread about promotion chances with a bit more, 'you know what, it's on!'
Not the end of days, but it's very evident what's needed to push things on. Still bloody frustrating, mind! |  |
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| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 09:52 - Dec 30 with 138 views | Superhoops2808 |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 00:34 - Dec 30 by Nov77 |
Didn’t see the game but was listening to it on bbc radio London. Steve Morrison, ex-millwall, was co-commentator. From early on he had us sussed, said we couldn’t defend set pieces, was pointing out which of their players were unmarked, predicted the second goal before it happened.
He was NOT impressed with Kone.
So disappointing but also so ball-achingly predictable. West Brom on a poor run and we don’t have a single shot on target. |
You are bang on there as I listened to the commentary too... They said about Phillips getting a head on every set piece and literally 30 secs later it happened and they got their 2nd and it is annoying we (as in a team) cannot identify these things.
I think Morrison was suggesting that Kone doesn't run enough, and he is right but normally he has Burrell doing the running and he is winning the ball. He does not look comfortable up front with last nights formation (another thing picked up in comms last night)
We came out in the 2nd half and initially sounded like we were going to take the game to them, and then a needless free kick (of which we have given many away recently) costs us a 2nd goal and unusually we looked deflated without the usual fight to get back on level terms. To me that is the team dynamic and with 5 changes was going to happen I guess. | | | |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 09:53 - Dec 30 with 137 views | dm97 |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 08:16 - Dec 30 by daveB |
Ultimately whatever team is picked we’re neither great or dreadful, we’ll have some good days and some bad for the rest of the season and finish somewhere between 6th and 16th, I know that’s boring but that’s what mid table teams do.
It's the same across the league Watford look world beaters one week and can't kick a ball the next, same as Birmingham, Southampton, Derby, Leicester. It's a mad league this year, no one is brilliant and not many are dreadful |
You’re not allowed to come on here and be all nuanced and sensible after a defeat Dave.
You have to be calling for heads and speaking in hyperboles about the coaches and players. |  | | |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 10:26 - Dec 30 with 30 views | JPC |
I would have ripped your arm off last year for a calm mid-table finish. As I was sitting in a 30 minute traffic jam outside the Hawthorns I was less well-balanced, but what I’ve liked this year is that with 1 or 2 notable examples, we’ve been in with a chance in the games that we’ve played.
It’s obvious that we struggle when we don’t have our ‘strongest’ 11 out, it’s also been obvious for years that when we try to play that 11 relentlessly (Beale era for e.g.) we end up decimating the team through injuries, often long term ones. So, we have to rotate, and that’s when some of the combinations look questionable. Esquerdinha looks exposed at the moment, particularly behind Saito. That said, some of the players who’ve been picked every week, e.g. Varane were looking very leggy.
I think this is probably a familiar story for most teams in this division | | | |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 10:30 - Dec 30 with 11 views | 7374Ranger |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 23:44 - Dec 29 by ManinBlack |
The frustration is we struggle to beat Albion whether they are good or bad and tonight they had one of their worst sides to play against us but again we lose at the Hawthorns. They even scored our goal for us which was probably our only effort on target. The objective of the game is to score goals so barely mustering any shots rather contravenes the purpose of playing the game.
Still why worry we do this all the time! Up next Norwich who we have beaten once in about 11 games and Sheffield Wednesday who have not lost to us in the last five meetings. There are certain clubs in this league who we are averse to beating no matter how rancid they are playing or whatever crisis they face at the time we meet them as tonight showed. |
That's Charity Park Rangers for you.
4 rancid away performances in a row. Norwich Middlesbrough Portsmouth and now WBA. We made Middlesbrough look like world beaters, but they have struggled since then against teams like Blackburn and Hull.
No shots in the 1st half (only slightly more in the second) at a struggling Portsmouth and none at a bang average WBA after such a convincing home win over Leicester suggests things have gone to their heads or maybe too much Christmas celebrations or goodwill to others. I saw very little effort or desire to win either of those games from most of the players on show (Dunne and Hamer did). Maybe they are tired and have not really been trained for fitness properly in the pre season.
Whatever it is, it's not good enough. | | | |
| Baggie ball bags - Match Thread on 10:32 - Dec 30 with 4 views | baz_qpr |
A few points.
4-4-2 is very much about partnerships, your centre backs, you full backs and wingers, your centre mid, and your forwards. We had 1 established partnership (centre mid) yesterday.
Centre backs have never played together (with Morrison on the left)
Right side had never played together
Forwards including Field had never played together
Left side may have had one or two games max.
If you go back to the W12 interview with Madsen. He said (and I think this is true for all players) that he is at his best when he does not have to think (i.e its instinctive, natural or so well drilled) he knows where anyone is going to be on the pitch.
That very much explains why we were slow and disjointed and why so many passes were misplaced.
I kinda of get Stephan's thinking. Burrell is all about the press and he picked Field to press from the front, Burrell and Mbengue cover the most yards. Burrell desperately needs a rest and Mbengue is struggling to get past 75 mins. Cook can't play 4 games in 9 days neither can Norrington Davies.
Smyth is on the market unless he signs a contract, hence why so few minutes in recent weeks and frankly on Boxing Day he played like a player who did not want to get injured. Poku needs minutes. Kolli we also think is likely to be off whether it be loan or sale next month.
Ultimately we lost to 2 set pieces, the first the Keeper totally at fault trying to buy a free kick. The second Varane and Field failed to win their duels, and came from a stupid free kick given away by a player woefully out of form.
I think we will see Ronnie in by the weekend which will give us much better cover along the back line |  | | |
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