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Says we shouldn't focus on short term-ism. Either pushing for promotion or worrying about bad results, keep working with the plan of signing young players, accepts we will get inconsistent results by adopting that plan.
Asks for the fans to build a positive environment around the players to help them succeed. 'Im not saying it's the fans fault'
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Hoos on first team strategy on 09:26 - Mar 18 with 2792 views
Hoos on first team strategy on 09:16 - Mar 18 by Markofthegrove
After a win, always.
Well you know I'm not happy with things either mate and am more than willing to give them a kicking where I think it's deserved, but these were booked and locked in before Leicester (sure Dave can confirm the H&D one). Whether they would have pulled them if we'd got pumped who can tell but they definitely committed to them pre-Leicester.
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Hoos on first team strategy on 09:38 - Mar 18 with 2736 views
Hoos on first team strategy on 18:44 - Mar 17 by Northernr
I think the big message I would give the club at the moment is - take the fans with you. It’s no use really saying “this is what we’re doing and you can choose what sort of fan you want to be.” Involve us, inform us, make us part of it, and give us something to dream about. Ten more years in the Championship with the aim of creating something Crystal Palace can buy is no kind of pitch.
The man is nothing more than a chancer on the gravy train, intent on keeping his £££££ rolling in. Seen his type many times before in my industry.
Club's a mess (again) and going precisely nowhere (other than perhaps, in time, becoming a 'development club' where players who are any good leave, and the club stays exactly where it is ). They've got the whole strategy arse about tit IMO. No harm in wanting to develop players, but it should be based on the sole intention of making the team better, not the money. If the strategy was to develop players solely to make the team better then the money would follow naturally as a by-product of it.
Sod this malarkey. I want a club with ambition to get somewhere, not ambition solely to develop players for money. This absolute cn ut needs to go (and take Nourry with him).
May as well be the first club to have an AI robot running the whole show and making all the decisions based on stated criteria. Can't be any worse than the clowns we have now
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Hoos on first team strategy on 09:53 - Mar 18 with 2695 views
Hoos on first team strategy on 09:38 - Mar 18 by The_Beast1976
The man is nothing more than a chancer on the gravy train, intent on keeping his £££££ rolling in. Seen his type many times before in my industry.
Club's a mess (again) and going precisely nowhere (other than perhaps, in time, becoming a 'development club' where players who are any good leave, and the club stays exactly where it is ). They've got the whole strategy arse about tit IMO. No harm in wanting to develop players, but it should be based on the sole intention of making the team better, not the money. If the strategy was to develop players solely to make the team better then the money would follow naturally as a by-product of it.
Sod this malarkey. I want a club with ambition to get somewhere, not ambition solely to develop players for money. This absolute cn ut needs to go (and take Nourry with him).
May as well be the first club to have an AI robot running the whole show and making all the decisions based on stated criteria. Can't be any worse than the clowns we have now
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That's the point, isn't it? Forgive me if my facts are wrong, but I think Brentford bought Olly Watkins first and foremost to win them promotion and strengthen their side.
Once he got them to a Championship playoff final, which they lost, then they cashed in for a huge sum and started their rinse and repeat stuff.
We seem to be thinking about the huge sum and forgetting about the bit in between. Which is ironic, because if the bit in between doesn't involve said player turning up every week and contributing to many wins and propelling you up the table, the huge sum doesn't happen.
They need to play in a winning side, surely. Not rocket science.
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Hoos on first team strategy on 09:53 - Mar 18 with 2694 views
Hoos on first team strategy on 09:26 - Mar 18 by Northernr
Well you know I'm not happy with things either mate and am more than willing to give them a kicking where I think it's deserved, but these were booked and locked in before Leicester (sure Dave can confirm the H&D one). Whether they would have pulled them if we'd got pumped who can tell but they definitely committed to them pre-Leicester.
Yes was booked in well before Leicester, we did think it might get cancelled after Birmingham last week but to be fair to them they said it would still go ahead before the weekend and that is a concern they have that it is going to look like they only did this as we won on Saturday.
I don't think anything said in these interviews will particularly change anyone's mind but it's a positive they are doing them
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Hoos on first team strategy on 10:11 - Mar 18 with 2610 views
Hoos on first team strategy on 07:28 - Mar 18 by Dorse
'What sort of fan do you want to be..?' The sort that is delighted not to have to spend hours of my life screaming into an existential hell-scape created entirely of sideways and backwards passing would be a start. But, you know, 'opinions' and all that.
Fuxache.
I’m sorry but some of your favourite opinions aren’t available to you at the moment…
It really is a parallel universe isn’t it…as Clive says “is this thing on!??”
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Hoos on first team strategy on 10:21 - Mar 18 with 2568 views
Hoos on first team strategy on 08:51 - Mar 18 by Northernr
TBF on the latter point, if he'd done ten minutes on the community trust and not mentioned the first team, in a week when the club he's chairman of lost 5-0, 4-0, 2-0, 1-0, then he'd have (rightly) got pilloried for that, so they had to ask.
I found his answer dispiriting TBH. It just furthers the impression that it's their club, their "project", and we can come along if we want.
I believe there are several interviews booked in this week in various places so let's see what comes out of those.
Did they wait to arrange these interviews after we'd won a football match?
Hoos on first team strategy on 10:42 - Mar 18 by TheChef
Did they wait to arrange these interviews after we'd won a football match?
No, as said above they were booked in before Leicester. I'll give em a kicking where I think they deserve one but it's not this IMO. We shouldn't discourage them from speaking to us. They don't do it nearly enough.
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Hoos on first team strategy on 10:52 - Mar 18 with 2430 views
Hoos on first team strategy on 10:44 - Mar 18 by Northernr
No, as said above they were booked in before Leicester. I'll give em a kicking where I think they deserve one but it's not this IMO. We shouldn't discourage them from speaking to us. They don't do it nearly enough.
Speaking to us is good. Next step is to be honest and explain properly.
I hope the question is asked about the QPR women's player - Fern Orchard - who has to crowdfund her own ACL treatment. I am sure there must be a logical explanation, because it really is a horrific look and makes little sense looking in from the outside.
Another example I reckon where being clear about it can actually stop all the worst thoughts happening. If, indeed, there is an explanation for it.
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Hoos on first team strategy on 10:53 - Mar 18 with 2426 views
Hoos on first team strategy on 10:44 - Mar 18 by Northernr
No, as said above they were booked in before Leicester. I'll give em a kicking where I think they deserve one but it's not this IMO. We shouldn't discourage them from speaking to us. They don't do it nearly enough.
"We shouldn't discourage them from speaking to us. They don't do it nearly enough."
Very true.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Haven't read previous comments, but my quick tuppence worth:
Good to hear from Our Chairman and good on him for communicating like this – this was a timely intervention to say the least.
Yes, it’s a clear message and I get it - and like it. However, the key word for me (that elephant in the room) is: Relegation. Specifically, does this strong model emphasising development of young players for long term success accept that the ‘bumps in the road’ might necessarily include excellent league match report(s) from Clive on Bromley or Burton Away?
Because this, I suspect, is the point – how damaging would Relegation to League One be for this sustained player development model over the next 2-3 years? Can a demotion to the third tier be countenanced financially regardless – the project continues no matter what?
If the whole project is directly dependent on us staying in the Championship and progressing then you have an obvious problem. Namely, good young players breaking into positions throughout the first XI not being (understandably) quite upto second tier demands consistently across a season to guarantee 53pts+. As has been admitted, there will always be a reversion to panic and short-termism if 22nd place seems close at hand at any point from late autumn onwards – if the whole project is dependent on Championship survival.
So, where I am is that I get this if a young player development means we’re not going to be reckless in pursuing the top six in the Championship for the next two seasons. Fine and sensible – no repeat of the third Warburton 21/22 season and hopefully Jam Tomorrow. But what about the other end - if the model has us teetering in 21st place in the February? A real conundrum for the club where, unlike the Atlanta Braves (?), there very much is jeopardy.
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Hoos on first team strategy on 12:01 - Mar 18 with 2175 views
One thing that always strikes me about Hoos on these videos is how flustered and defensive he can sometimes get - these are home game softball Qs from your own PR team! None of this should be a surprise!
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Hoos on first team strategy on 12:37 - Mar 18 with 2107 views
Hoos on first team strategy on 09:09 - Mar 18 by Markofthegrove
Nourry was asked in December what the long term goals were, he replied something along the lines of "I would like to get to the point where I can turn around and say 'this squad can compete for promotion".
There was no time frame on that, when pushed he didn't give us anything.
If he had said "3 years," he'd have got grief by some for saying it's too long, and then if it didn't happen, grief for that.
I imagine they have a time frame, but they'd be mad to announce it.
Hoos on first team strategy on 09:53 - Mar 18 by GaryBannister86
That's the point, isn't it? Forgive me if my facts are wrong, but I think Brentford bought Olly Watkins first and foremost to win them promotion and strengthen their side.
Once he got them to a Championship playoff final, which they lost, then they cashed in for a huge sum and started their rinse and repeat stuff.
We seem to be thinking about the huge sum and forgetting about the bit in between. Which is ironic, because if the bit in between doesn't involve said player turning up every week and contributing to many wins and propelling you up the table, the huge sum doesn't happen.
They need to play in a winning side, surely. Not rocket science.
Good post.
Apart from anything else, I don't see how Hoos' and Nourry's young player development model works from a pure numbers perspective. It would take a lifetime, and a lorry load of luck, to make as much money from selling on players as you'd get from one promotion to the Prem.
We lose around £2m a month, there's no way we could counterbalance that with a £24m positive transfer balance every year. We'd be lucky to do that once in a blue moon, we're not going to be selling an Eze every season, or 12 Sinclair Armstrong equivalents.
OK, my - cough - "analysis" - is very simplistic, but I hope you get my drift. The numbers don't add up and in any case, if the last few years are anything to go by, our home grown players are simply not good enough to keep us up at the moment, let alone enable us to mount a serious play-off push.
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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Hoos on first team strategy on 15:31 - Mar 18 with 1754 views
Hoos on first team strategy on 15:30 - Mar 18 by R_from_afar
Good post.
Apart from anything else, I don't see how Hoos' and Nourry's young player development model works from a pure numbers perspective. It would take a lifetime, and a lorry load of luck, to make as much money from selling on players as you'd get from one promotion to the Prem.
We lose around £2m a month, there's no way we could counterbalance that with a £24m positive transfer balance every year. We'd be lucky to do that once in a blue moon, we're not going to be selling an Eze every season, or 12 Sinclair Armstrong equivalents.
OK, my - cough - "analysis" - is very simplistic, but I hope you get my drift. The numbers don't add up and in any case, if the last few years are anything to go by, our home grown players are simply not good enough to keep us up at the moment, let alone enable us to mount a serious play-off push.
It's pretty scary that we can all see that but our owners can't...
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Hoos on first team strategy on 15:46 - Mar 18 with 1694 views
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