| Russell Brand is guilty 15:54 - Nov 5 with 15416 views | E17hoop |
Good, I hope he really suffers in clinky wink. |  |
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| Russell Brand is guilty on 14:19 - Nov 10 with 0 views | numptydumpty |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 11:47 - Nov 10 by kensalriser |
As several of the usual rape myths have been aired here, if you have questions about the length of time between an assault and legal proceedings, or you're keen to talk about false accusations, I'd strongly recommend reading this:
https://rapecrisis.org.uk/get-
Even the head of the Met is saying that judges should be required to explain these myths and instruct juries to disregard them.
Did you ever hear someone question a murder trial for being too long past the event? |
In a murder trial, obviously the victim is dead.
In a rape trial, the potential victim is very much alive.
And has to face the consequences of focussing on something over and over again and if it did happen, dragging it out, which won't help the potential victim at all. And there are no guarantees that justice will be done, either way.
Hence obviously why people that have experienced sexual assault or r*pe are afraid to report it.
Jurys are left to their own devices. Am very aware of that as I personally was on jury service and quite a few hadnt listened to a lot of the evidence ie it was very long and tedious and hard to remember and went in with their own very evident prejudices in both ways.
In a murder trial if it goes on as long, the victim.wont know about it, quite obviously.
So not really relevant by way of comparison IMHO. Not sure what point you are trying to put across. [Post edited 10 Nov 14:33]
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| Russell Brand is guilty on 14:44 - Nov 10 with 0 views | KensalT |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 13:59 - Nov 10 by plasmahoop |
The guardian, BBC, and the labour party itself all had a blind spot when it came to brand. Despite the Andrew Sachs case and being sacked from xfm they thought he could help them win the 2015 election. Ed miliband was interviewed by him.
As for Walliams, he is similar to Russell brand. Creepy, Pervy, sinister and painfully unfunny. One of the least shocking revelations ever |
Lefties courting Brand is very old news. His politics swung sharply to the right several years ago.
The right wing equally had a blind spot about Jimmy Savile.
A pox on all their houses! |  | | |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 15:15 - Nov 10 with 0 views | wombat |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 11:27 - Nov 10 by robith |
John Torode has a show on ITV with his wife, so his TV career is very much not over.
I also think that is a slightly disingenious example to bring up in a thread about rape and sexual assault |
maybe it is but its al an example about something in the past which is suddenly found and used against somebody |  |
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| Russell Brand is guilty on 15:23 - Nov 10 with 0 views | kensalriser |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 14:19 - Nov 10 by numptydumpty |
In a murder trial, obviously the victim is dead.
In a rape trial, the potential victim is very much alive.
And has to face the consequences of focussing on something over and over again and if it did happen, dragging it out, which won't help the potential victim at all. And there are no guarantees that justice will be done, either way.
Hence obviously why people that have experienced sexual assault or r*pe are afraid to report it.
Jurys are left to their own devices. Am very aware of that as I personally was on jury service and quite a few hadnt listened to a lot of the evidence ie it was very long and tedious and hard to remember and went in with their own very evident prejudices in both ways.
In a murder trial if it goes on as long, the victim.wont know about it, quite obviously.
So not really relevant by way of comparison IMHO. Not sure what point you are trying to put across. [Post edited 10 Nov 14:33]
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It's certainly the case you've comprehensively missed the point, which is not at all about whether or not the victim is alive, but illustrative of the selective ways in which people choose to criticise trials for different categories of serious crime. |  |
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| Russell Brand is guilty on 15:55 - Nov 10 with 0 views | Juzzie |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 14:44 - Nov 10 by KensalT |
Lefties courting Brand is very old news. His politics swung sharply to the right several years ago.
The right wing equally had a blind spot about Jimmy Savile.
A pox on all their houses! |
This constant need for people to pigeon-hole everything as left v right is very, very tiresome.
Just look at everything (including actual politics) as right v wrong.
In the US for example..... is government insider trading right or wrong, is blowing up a school of 150+ young girls right or wrong, is having s*x with under-age girls right or wrong.... and so on. If anyone on the left answers no, they deserve to be in jail. If anyone on the right answers no, they too deserve to be in jail.
This constant doubling-down all the time (we've seen it here with Brexit and everything else since) just because certain people in authority supposedly align with your own narrative shows, IMO, a complete lack of awareness. |  | | |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 16:01 - Nov 10 with 0 views | Sonic_Hoop |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 15:15 - Nov 10 by wombat |
maybe it is but its al an example about something in the past which is suddenly found and used against somebody |
Or, as was the case, an example of somebody with numerous complaints about them being investigated and the uncovering of something that could be proven. |  | | |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 16:11 - Nov 10 with 0 views | W7Ranger |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 15:55 - Nov 10 by Juzzie |
This constant need for people to pigeon-hole everything as left v right is very, very tiresome.
Just look at everything (including actual politics) as right v wrong.
In the US for example..... is government insider trading right or wrong, is blowing up a school of 150+ young girls right or wrong, is having s*x with under-age girls right or wrong.... and so on. If anyone on the left answers no, they deserve to be in jail. If anyone on the right answers no, they too deserve to be in jail.
This constant doubling-down all the time (we've seen it here with Brexit and everything else since) just because certain people in authority supposedly align with your own narrative shows, IMO, a complete lack of awareness. |
10000% this!
I've seen so many people lose friendships in recent years just because of there political leanings!! It's a fcking joke! Not to mention toxic! Never used to be like this. But now the political divide is so bad it seems irreperable, as do many freindships as a result.
You're more likely to be friends with a Chelsea fan than someone with a different political viewpiont!! |  | | |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 16:38 - Nov 10 with 0 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 15:15 - Nov 10 by wombat |
maybe it is but its al an example about something in the past which is suddenly found and used against somebody |
OMG. The information about Brand and Walliams hasn't suddenly been found. The stories were reported in the press after investigations by really good journalists at both The Times and The Guardian that have been going on for years. |  |
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| Russell Brand is guilty on 16:42 - Nov 10 with 0 views | Juzzie |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 16:11 - Nov 10 by W7Ranger |
10000% this!
I've seen so many people lose friendships in recent years just because of there political leanings!! It's a fcking joke! Not to mention toxic! Never used to be like this. But now the political divide is so bad it seems irreperable, as do many freindships as a result.
You're more likely to be friends with a Chelsea fan than someone with a different political viewpiont!! |
Russell Brand flipped from left to right to suit his own agenda
Donald Trump flipped from left to right to suit his own agenda
Boris Johnson flipped from anti-Brexit to pro-Brexit to suit his own agenda
There are many, many people in authority whose very purpose is totally self-serving, even if the job they do is actually meant to be for the benefit of everyone.
When will people wake up to this?
Anyways, back to Russell Brand..... it seems during the trial and since conviction/sentencing more people have come forward. He could be in clinky winky until he's very old. Even when/if he does come out he'll be under very heavy restrictions so will not lead a normal life anymore until the day he dies.
Brands hatch;
I'll get me coat..... | | | |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 17:26 - Nov 10 with 0 views | BristolR |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 16:42 - Nov 10 by Juzzie |
Russell Brand flipped from left to right to suit his own agenda
Donald Trump flipped from left to right to suit his own agenda
Boris Johnson flipped from anti-Brexit to pro-Brexit to suit his own agenda
There are many, many people in authority whose very purpose is totally self-serving, even if the job they do is actually meant to be for the benefit of everyone.
When will people wake up to this?
Anyways, back to Russell Brand..... it seems during the trial and since conviction/sentencing more people have come forward. He could be in clinky winky until he's very old. Even when/if he does come out he'll be under very heavy restrictions so will not lead a normal life anymore until the day he dies.
Brands hatch;
I'll get me coat..... |
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| Russell Brand is guilty on 19:03 - Nov 10 with 0 views | Gloucs_R |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 15:28 - Nov 6 by Gloucs_R |
In completely unrelated news....I see David Walliams has had his book land shut down by Alton Towers. I can not imagine why................
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art |
Ohhh who could have guessed 🙄 |  |
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| Russell Brand is guilty on 22:29 - Nov 10 with 0 views | daveB |
It feels like the David Walliams stuff a lot more is gonna come out. I watched the ITV News special on it, I mean a complete abuse of power but it feels a bit like the original exposure on Saville which was bad but a lot worse followed. Mad to see so many people defending him and Brand on social media. Just all very depressing. |  | | |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 22:52 - Nov 10 with 0 views | Mick_S |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 22:29 - Nov 10 by daveB |
It feels like the David Walliams stuff a lot more is gonna come out. I watched the ITV News special on it, I mean a complete abuse of power but it feels a bit like the original exposure on Saville which was bad but a lot worse followed. Mad to see so many people defending him and Brand on social media. Just all very depressing. |
I hear you regarding this. Thank feck I’m not on it (social media) because I don’t have to be via work, and just will not let it creep into my every day life.
This board and WhatsApp is it for me. |  |
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| Russell Brand is guilty on 00:17 - Nov 11 with 0 views | Boston |
What Do You Do When You're Branded?
From the Busta Rhymes album, It Ain't Safe No More. | |
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| Russell Brand is guilty on 07:55 - Nov 11 with 0 views | GroveR |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 15:28 - Nov 6 by Gloucs_R |
In completely unrelated news....I see David Walliams has had his book land shut down by Alton Towers. I can not imagine why................
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art |
Computer says nonce |  | | |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 10:23 - Nov 11 with 0 views | colinallcars |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 22:29 - Nov 10 by daveB |
It feels like the David Walliams stuff a lot more is gonna come out. I watched the ITV News special on it, I mean a complete abuse of power but it feels a bit like the original exposure on Saville which was bad but a lot worse followed. Mad to see so many people defending him and Brand on social media. Just all very depressing. |
His wife Serena must he horrified. |  | | |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 10:55 - Nov 11 with 0 views | Beckenhamhoop |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 16:38 - Nov 10 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
OMG. The information about Brand and Walliams hasn't suddenly been found. The stories were reported in the press after investigations by really good journalists at both The Times and The Guardian that have been going on for years. |
The press widely reported on the allegations made by Carl Beech of a pedophile ring involving the political, military and religious elite in this country. That turned out to be a complete fantasy which destroyed innocent people’s lives (not those in charge of the appalling investigation of course). The press aren’t always a force for good with regards to historic sexual assaults. There’s a serious risk of a bandwagon leading to a firm assumption that people are guilty.
I’ve no doubt that with all the media exposure of Brand and now Walliams other people will be queuing up to come forward. Any future jury will also be very prejudiced, despite, I’m sure warnings by the trial judge, due to their knowledge of previous offending/convictions. This would normally be kept from jurors.
There is a significant risk of cases like this gathering so much momentum that any question of a critical, scrupulous examination of the evidence goes out the window. | |
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| Russell Brand is guilty on 11:28 - Nov 11 with 0 views | Jevlar |
I worked in TV for nearly two decades and fortunately never worked with either Brand nor Walliams.
Lucy Beaumont has given a pretty brave interview on Sky News describing what working in TV and the fear of whistleblowing (the damage it could do to your career) is like. She gets it and she's totally right. So many people want your job, you're only as good as your reputation and you move about from contract to contract. There are no real systems of safeguarding in place.
I really don't miss my time in TV, neither glamourous nor as lucrative as you would think.
Good riddance to Brand. [Post edited 11 Nov 11:33]
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| Russell Brand is guilty on 11:35 - Nov 11 with 0 views | daveB |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 11:28 - Nov 11 by Jevlar |
I worked in TV for nearly two decades and fortunately never worked with either Brand nor Walliams.
Lucy Beaumont has given a pretty brave interview on Sky News describing what working in TV and the fear of whistleblowing (the damage it could do to your career) is like. She gets it and she's totally right. So many people want your job, you're only as good as your reputation and you move about from contract to contract. There are no real systems of safeguarding in place.
I really don't miss my time in TV, neither glamourous nor as lucrative as you would think.
Good riddance to Brand. [Post edited 11 Nov 11:33]
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She made an excellent point in that what Walliams did was not illegal, as a man in his 40's and 50's there is no law to say you can't have sex with a 17 year old but really there should be one. | | | |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 11:40 - Nov 11 with 0 views | Jevlar |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 11:35 - Nov 11 by daveB |
She made an excellent point in that what Walliams did was not illegal, as a man in his 40's and 50's there is no law to say you can't have sex with a 17 year old but really there should be one. |
Absolutely daveB and she walked a careful line not trying to implicate people but still bringing up similar stories.
I remember I once interviewed for a role (I was 22) as a runner to the talent (presenter) for a new show, and the producer said I gave a great interview but that the talent preferred a female runner, so I didn't get it. Not saying that anything happened at all and this presenter has never been accused of anything but I remember being told that at the time and I was only 6 months in to my career and just thinking 'ah right, that's how it is then' | | | |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 12:02 - Nov 11 with 0 views | Sonic_Hoop |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 12:13 - Nov 10 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Brand has Manson vibes. Very funny seeing how the bourgeois media fawned over him back in the day. What a geezer, goes down the Boleyn with his jellied eels. Like anthropologists studying the prole experience.
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Ã’r the Sun in their condemnation of Brand mention they proclaimed him "Shagger of the Year" for three years. | | | |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 12:20 - Nov 11 with 0 views | ChrisNW6 |
My jury service at Southwark started on the same day as the Brand trial and I was selected as one of the initial 50 jurors. Around 6 jurors we immediately excused as they had prior knowledge of Times article and C4 programme. I had a work trip booked and paid for, early Nov, so I knew if selected I couldn't commit to a possible 11 week trial. I didn't make the initial 30 selected jurors anyway. But really interesting watching the process unfold.
Really glad I wasn't selected, as it would have been a pretty grim trial. Also missed out on Tommy Robinson the following Monday.
I was pretty much an unused sub for the 5 days I was required to attend. | | | |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 12:31 - Nov 11 with 0 views | KensalT |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 11:35 - Nov 11 by daveB |
She made an excellent point in that what Walliams did was not illegal, as a man in his 40's and 50's there is no law to say you can't have sex with a 17 year old but really there should be one. |
I haven't seen the Lucy Beaumont interview, so I can't comment on that.
I did read the Guardian article which had interviews with two women who met Walliams when they were 15
https://www.theguardian.com/tv
One of the women had sex with Walliams when she was 17. Legally she was old enough to give consent so that isn't a criminal offence. There might be an argument that because she was 15 when they met that he might have groomed her for sex but I don't know if that applies in these circumstances.
The second woman said that when she was 15 she was alone with Walliams in his home and that he kissed and fondled her and asked her for sex but she said no and he stopped.
At 15 she was legally not old enough to consent to sexual activity. Kissing and fondling is enough to constitute a criminal offence. But if it boils down to 'he said versus she said' then it could be difficult to prove.
There's enough here to end his career but unless there's more evidence that hasn't been published or more women come forward he's unlikely to go the same way as Brand. | | | |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 12:34 - Nov 11 with 0 views | kensalriser |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 10:55 - Nov 11 by Beckenhamhoop |
The press widely reported on the allegations made by Carl Beech of a pedophile ring involving the political, military and religious elite in this country. That turned out to be a complete fantasy which destroyed innocent people’s lives (not those in charge of the appalling investigation of course). The press aren’t always a force for good with regards to historic sexual assaults. There’s a serious risk of a bandwagon leading to a firm assumption that people are guilty.
I’ve no doubt that with all the media exposure of Brand and now Walliams other people will be queuing up to come forward. Any future jury will also be very prejudiced, despite, I’m sure warnings by the trial judge, due to their knowledge of previous offending/convictions. This would normally be kept from jurors.
There is a significant risk of cases like this gathering so much momentum that any question of a critical, scrupulous examination of the evidence goes out the window. |
Well done for highlighting a highly unusual and extremely rare instance of false accusation, which of course never got near a trial. It was an absurd story and the major warning sign was there was one person making accusations against a number of claimed perpetrators and no other evidence.
Set against that, everyone knows there are numerous other predators still operating in plain sight, and the number of sexual assaults that go unreported (never mind unprosecuted) is an enormous factor higher than false accusations. | |
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| Russell Brand is guilty on 13:20 - Nov 11 with 0 views | plasmahoop |
| Russell Brand is guilty on 10:55 - Nov 11 by Beckenhamhoop |
The press widely reported on the allegations made by Carl Beech of a pedophile ring involving the political, military and religious elite in this country. That turned out to be a complete fantasy which destroyed innocent people’s lives (not those in charge of the appalling investigation of course). The press aren’t always a force for good with regards to historic sexual assaults. There’s a serious risk of a bandwagon leading to a firm assumption that people are guilty.
I’ve no doubt that with all the media exposure of Brand and now Walliams other people will be queuing up to come forward. Any future jury will also be very prejudiced, despite, I’m sure warnings by the trial judge, due to their knowledge of previous offending/convictions. This would normally be kept from jurors.
There is a significant risk of cases like this gathering so much momentum that any question of a critical, scrupulous examination of the evidence goes out the window. |
Very good point. Whilst I've always disliked Walliams, you are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. It's just allegations at the moment. | | | |
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