| Beth Mead 21:51 - Dec 21 with 15423 views | stowmarketrange |
Well done to Beth Mead on winning the sports personality of the year award tonight.The women’s team won team of the year and the manager won coach of the year too.
It was one of the best days of mine and my daughter’s lives to see them lift the trophy in July,and one we’ll never forget. |  | | |  |
| Beth Mead on 09:08 - Dec 22 with 1521 views | MrSheen |
| Beth Mead on 08:46 - Dec 22 by SydneyRs |
True that curling is only popular in a small number of countries.
Just like cricket and rugby then. |
Curling/rugby - popular in a small number of small countries
Cricket… |  | | |
| Beth Mead on 09:15 - Dec 22 with 1505 views | nix |
| Beth Mead on 08:15 - Dec 22 by MrSheen |
I have no interest in awards shows, but if the concept of “Personality” rather than talent or results has any relevance…then what Stokes has achieved is staggering. England’s cricketers are largely the same group as a year ago and no more talented or skilled than they were then, but thanks to the supportive attitude towards risk-taking of Stokes and McCallum, they have been transformed in a way that surpasses even Mike Brearley’s impact of 1981. It may even end up overturning the game all over the world. Thanks to Stokes’s “Personality” and its influence in a leadership role. |
The England team are doing amazingly at the moment. Stokes is a fantastic leader, no doubt about it. But some of the conspiracy theories on here, really. I'm pretty sure it's just because the Lionesses caught the public's imagination and appealed to a wider fanbase of people who are likely to vote in a BBC sports personality competition. Less likely to be in the Venn diagram of diehard cricket fans.
Definitely couldn't begrudge the Lionesses their moment of glory. England cricket players far more often get their time in the sun. Seems a bit curmudgeonly to dispute their win and turn it into yet another BBC bashing thread. Aren't people burnt out with this by now? Many of them have moved onto bashing Harry and Meghan.
Personally I think they've achieved a lot and wish them well. If someone else had won, that would have been fine too. |  | | |
| Beth Mead on 09:16 - Dec 22 with 1497 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Beth Mead on 07:51 - Dec 22 by HammersmithR |
5 out of the 6 people who could have won have their sports on the BBC which is amazing when the BBC have the rights to about 3 events. The men’s cricket team won a World Cup not a Euros in their own country. Men’s cricket is a far bigger sport in this country than women’s football. Their win was fantastic but the men’s cricket win was a far bigger and better success. Had the women won the World Cup then absolutely fair enough. But like with most things on the BBC it all so predictable who is going to win. We have had a British Major winner in the golf and they didn’t even make the shortlist but someone who plays Curling makes it. Curling is played by about 8 people. That’s why I don’t bother with this show anymore. Rarely even watch the BBC anymore. |
For someone who doesn't care about it, you sure spent a lot of time researching, thinking and then writing about it ;) |  |
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| Beth Mead on 09:18 - Dec 22 with 1487 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Beth Mead on 05:34 - Dec 22 by BushRanger82 |
Very well deserved. She, and the rest of the lionesses did this country proud.
Unlike, the men, again. |
I was proud of the men.
Good victories, nice lads (unlike 10-15 years ago), worked hard, played in one of tne best games of the tournament and just lost out. That's sport. No lack of effort there. | |
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| Beth Mead on 09:20 - Dec 22 with 1481 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Beth Mead on 07:36 - Dec 22 by PunteR |
Sorry.. what?
I'm guessing your just on a wind up. ? |
Nope. Might as well add in poker players too.
Someone above said there's physical exertion. In darts and snooker! Ha ha. It's not a 'sport' if you can play it drunk. | |
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| Beth Mead on 09:21 - Dec 22 with 1481 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Beth Mead on 08:46 - Dec 22 by SydneyRs |
True that curling is only popular in a small number of countries.
Just like cricket and rugby then. |
Not sure what point you’re trying to make.
But ‘maybe ‘ there’s also a clue in the title of the program: ‘personality’. In which case and given that football is the biggest sport in the world, the right individuals, team and coach won their respective awards. |  |
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| Beth Mead on 09:24 - Dec 22 with 1475 views | nix |
| Beth Mead on 09:18 - Dec 22 by Antti_Heinola |
I was proud of the men.
Good victories, nice lads (unlike 10-15 years ago), worked hard, played in one of tne best games of the tournament and just lost out. That's sport. No lack of effort there. |
That's true too. | | | |
| Beth Mead on 09:36 - Dec 22 with 1424 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Beth Mead on 09:20 - Dec 22 by Antti_Heinola |
Nope. Might as well add in poker players too.
Someone above said there's physical exertion. In darts and snooker! Ha ha. It's not a 'sport' if you can play it drunk. |
You can play football drunk. Most Sunday league players do. |  | | |
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| Beth Mead on 09:39 - Dec 22 with 1408 views | stevec |
| Beth Mead on 09:36 - Dec 22 by Wegerles_Stairs |
You can play football drunk. Most Sunday league players do. |
George Best ? |  | | |
| Beth Mead on 09:47 - Dec 22 with 1404 views | jeffranger |
| Beth Mead on 00:25 - Dec 22 by Wegerles_Stairs |
The England men's cricket team is still far more significant than the England women's football team. The latter were always going to win the awards but the cricket team won a World Cup!
SPOTY is a light entertainment show, rather than a serious assessment of sporting prowess anyway. Ronnie O'Sullivan has won his world championship SEVEN times, never mind the other major trophies the same amount, but didn't have a hope in hell of winning. |
Agree about Ronnie & great achievement, I voted for him but as you said didn’t stand a chance of winning it, Ben Stokes I thought would get it, I probably saw about 5mins of the programme as only interested in the end bit [Post edited 22 Dec 2022 9:56]
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| Beth Mead on 10:06 - Dec 22 with 1357 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Beth Mead on 00:04 - Dec 22 by CiderwithRsie |
I love what the England men's cricket teams have done in Test and T20 but I don't think anyone can argue that the big breakthrough moment in British sport this year was the women winning the football World Cup. It brought in a whole new audience for the women game and it was front page news in the way that cricket just isn't, much as I wish it was. And this is a Personality of the Year award, personally I'd have given the individual award to Chloe Kelly for her goal celebration.
Don't think that can be dismissed as "PC", in fact I think you'd have to have some sort of superiority complex about men's sport to fail to see what a big deal it was. |
England women have never won a world cup. They won a Euros this year, hosted in England, the second time we've hosted it since 2005. We also came runners-up in Euro 2009. But who cares about women's football pre-politicisation? |  |
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| Beth Mead on 10:08 - Dec 22 with 1369 views | slmrstid |
| Beth Mead on 07:51 - Dec 22 by HammersmithR |
5 out of the 6 people who could have won have their sports on the BBC which is amazing when the BBC have the rights to about 3 events. The men’s cricket team won a World Cup not a Euros in their own country. Men’s cricket is a far bigger sport in this country than women’s football. Their win was fantastic but the men’s cricket win was a far bigger and better success. Had the women won the World Cup then absolutely fair enough. But like with most things on the BBC it all so predictable who is going to win. We have had a British Major winner in the golf and they didn’t even make the shortlist but someone who plays Curling makes it. Curling is played by about 8 people. That’s why I don’t bother with this show anymore. Rarely even watch the BBC anymore. |
This post suggests to me an argument then that as much sport as possible should be on free to air view and actually is still how the vast majority of people access live sport still.
Perhaps if cricket was free to air instead of being tucked away behind a Sky Sports Paywall the achievement would have been in the public consciousness much more and voted accordingly. Same goes for golf. |  | | |
| Beth Mead on 10:13 - Dec 22 with 1363 views | ted_hendrix |
| Beth Mead on 09:15 - Dec 22 by nix |
The England team are doing amazingly at the moment. Stokes is a fantastic leader, no doubt about it. But some of the conspiracy theories on here, really. I'm pretty sure it's just because the Lionesses caught the public's imagination and appealed to a wider fanbase of people who are likely to vote in a BBC sports personality competition. Less likely to be in the Venn diagram of diehard cricket fans.
Definitely couldn't begrudge the Lionesses their moment of glory. England cricket players far more often get their time in the sun. Seems a bit curmudgeonly to dispute their win and turn it into yet another BBC bashing thread. Aren't people burnt out with this by now? Many of them have moved onto bashing Harry and Meghan.
Personally I think they've achieved a lot and wish them well. If someone else had won, that would have been fine too. |
Do we really need a SPOTY ??
Back patting nonsense If you ask me, I wouldn't know the current winner If he or she fell on top of me from a great height.
The biggest thing for sportsmen or Women Is to be a winner/winners In their respective sports, they don't need telling how fabulous and fantastic they are six Months later. I just don't buy into award ceromonies. |  |
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| Beth Mead on 10:14 - Dec 22 with 1357 views | toboboly |
| Beth Mead on 08:16 - Dec 22 by Northernr |
Isn't the issue with the cricket that they ballsed the Ashes up 4-0 at the start of the year? |
Which makes what just happened in Pakistan even more impressive |  |
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| Beth Mead on 10:17 - Dec 22 with 1358 views | Northernr |
| Beth Mead on 10:14 - Dec 22 by toboboly |
Which makes what just happened in Pakistan even more impressive |
Yeh be interesting if the Ashes series was over this winter given how things have gone since! |  | | |
| Beth Mead on 10:20 - Dec 22 with 1338 views | toboboly |
| Beth Mead on 08:46 - Dec 22 by SydneyRs |
True that curling is only popular in a small number of countries.
Just like cricket and rugby then. |
According to this First Class cricket alone saw as many attendees as top level women's football, T20 Blast was almost double, Rugby Union was almost 4 times as popular, Rugby League over twice as popular.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ | |
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| Beth Mead on 10:29 - Dec 22 with 1322 views | Pikey |
| Beth Mead on 10:20 - Dec 22 by toboboly |
According to this First Class cricket alone saw as many attendees as top level women's football, T20 Blast was almost double, Rugby Union was almost 4 times as popular, Rugby League over twice as popular.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ |
Thought Beth Mead was a good and deserved winner. The vibe at the ladies euros was fantastic free of threat , misogyny, homophobia etc. Really enjoyable before, during and after matches. Took me back to the 60s for atmosphere etc.
If this time next year the cricketers are still doing what they are at the moment and could win the ashes then yes Ben Stokes would be a shoe in.
Only right and fair the ladies get the attention and plaudits this year. Well done girls. | | | |
| Beth Mead on 10:32 - Dec 22 with 1311 views | gobbles |
| Beth Mead on 00:00 - Dec 22 by SydneyRs |
Don't agree.
The cricket team have done superbly of late but which of the two events brought more joy to the public? Absolutely the Lionesses for me. Cricket is still quite a minority sport int he UK, hence no ground bigger than 30k capacity in the country whereas Australia has the MCG that holds 100k and several other larger grounds than Lords. |
Cricket isn't a minority sport in the UK, despite the appalling way state schools have tried to drop it as they sell off their playing fields to developers in big cities. Every men's Test match in England sells out. All men's international fixtures (ODI and T20) in the UK sell out, as do most matches in the Hundred.
Just because football tries to drown out every other sport, doesn't mean it is be all and end all.
And let's face it, Beth Mead plays her football in the WSL at a ground with a 4,500 capacity, which is roughly one-quarter the capacity of the ground of Glamorgan CCC. Tickets to Arsenal in the WSL also cost £8, whereas you could not get into a day of County Championship cricket for that, or a rugby match (union or league), or a race meeting, let alone anything like boxing.
Obviously the main reason for huge stadiums in Australia is often that they are also used for Aussie Rules. |  | | |
| Beth Mead on 10:38 - Dec 22 with 1292 views | gobbles |
| Beth Mead on 08:16 - Dec 22 by Northernr |
Isn't the issue with the cricket that they ballsed the Ashes up 4-0 at the start of the year? |
Stokes wasn't captain then. He took over a Test team that lost to Australia and West Indies, then beat New Zealand, India and South Africa at home and whitewashed Pakistan away (first away team ever to do that from any country) transforming the way Test cricket has been played for 150 years. He also played a starring role in the T20 World Cup Final.
Having said that, if England win the Ashes next summer, I would expect him to win it next year. | | | |
| Beth Mead on 10:39 - Dec 22 with 1285 views | Northernr |
| Beth Mead on 10:38 - Dec 22 by gobbles |
Stokes wasn't captain then. He took over a Test team that lost to Australia and West Indies, then beat New Zealand, India and South Africa at home and whitewashed Pakistan away (first away team ever to do that from any country) transforming the way Test cricket has been played for 150 years. He also played a starring role in the T20 World Cup Final.
Having said that, if England win the Ashes next summer, I would expect him to win it next year. |
Yeh he did play in it though, like you say if they go on and perform in it next summer he'll surely be a shoo in for the turnaround. | | | |
| Beth Mead on 10:41 - Dec 22 with 1283 views | Snipper |
I actually think that if Sarina Weigman was managing the men’s team in the World Cup, they’d have got to at least the final. |  | | |
| Beth Mead on 10:42 - Dec 22 with 1280 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Beth Mead on 10:06 - Dec 22 by SheffieldHoop |
England women have never won a world cup. They won a Euros this year, hosted in England, the second time we've hosted it since 2005. We also came runners-up in Euro 2009. But who cares about women's football pre-politicisation? |
Seems to me the only people who 'politicise' it are the ones who for some reason resent other people enjoying it or celebrating it or talking about it seriously. It's really weird. | |
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| Beth Mead on 10:51 - Dec 22 with 1249 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Beth Mead on 10:42 - Dec 22 by Antti_Heinola |
Seems to me the only people who 'politicise' it are the ones who for some reason resent other people enjoying it or celebrating it or talking about it seriously. It's really weird. |
Seems to me it mainly comes from within womens football - Evidence below
https://www.globalpolicyjourna
https://www.newstatesman.com/p
Really seems like everyone enjoyed it a lot when they can't even name the competition the team won, I keep noticing this, people mixing up euros and world cups. This rarely happens with the men's game, because people actually care about it. I don't pretend to care - I was at Wealdstone during pre season with everyone else, oblivious to what was going on at Wembley.
But if that's your genuine heartfelt opinion, Antti, then so be it. All a bit weird if you ask me. [Post edited 22 Dec 2022 10:55]
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| Beth Mead on 10:55 - Dec 22 with 1250 views | westberksr |
don't watch it.... .don't care about it.
naf celebrity sports show for the predominantly armchair masses.
but no issue with the girls winning; they would have garnered support from 50% of the population who might normally not give a crap about SPOTY & have also spread the most popular sport far and wide to that same 50% of the population.
If I had a daughter who suddenly felt that football was a big thing due to this years Euro win then I'd want them to win it; especially with the way the tournament was conducted compared to the utter mess that the mens ended in a year before (even disregarding the result) |  | | |
| Beth Mead on 10:57 - Dec 22 with 1245 views | PunteR |
| Beth Mead on 09:20 - Dec 22 by Antti_Heinola |
Nope. Might as well add in poker players too.
Someone above said there's physical exertion. In darts and snooker! Ha ha. It's not a 'sport' if you can play it drunk. |
How's snooker same as playing cards. ? |  |
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