| Sell Jon Varane ? 17:41 - Jan 9 with 14463 views | MickB |
Take the money. He adds nothing going forward and while his positional play is good, he seems prone to a loss of concentration. And we have Haydn and Sam as defensive mids. |  | | |  |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 11:19 - Jan 14 with 2367 views | numptydumpty |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 10:49 - Jan 14 by Rangersw12 |
Absolute nonsense
For a start he doesn't even get much stick on this forum and any criticism I have seen seems along the lines of how hasn't improved this season and mainly passes backwards. |
Err, he does.... |  |
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 11:28 - Jan 14 with 2292 views | Rangersw12 |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 11:19 - Jan 14 by numptydumpty |
Err, he does.... |
Err , he doesn't and certainly no more than any other player
Also it was clear what you were trying to imply but you melted quicker than a chocolate teapot when challenged š |  | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 11:46 - Jan 14 with 2204 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
I don't think he is getting stick from this forum, just realistic opinions about his ability and limitations. If he is worth Ā£5M+ that must put him up amongst our most valuable players, maybe the most valuable? Personally I would have him behind Dunne, Burrell, Chair, Edwards, Madsen at least. Hence the belief that it looks a very good time to sell. [Post edited 14 Jan 11:50]
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 12:06 - Jan 14 with 2100 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 23:00 - Jan 13 by numptydumpty |
Crikey another one.
Lay off me please. if you knew my history and backgroundi would be the last person accused of racial abuse.
its because his brother was a brilliant footballer. Comparisons do happen often in these cases and its often not done deliberately.
Paul Smith and Sam Field are seen as limited footballers but give their all and they generally get praised. There is often much more criticism of Varane and my point was, i feel its disproportionate. He has generally been decent for ourselves. Hence the comment and famous brother to boot. You will pick me up on Jones now as well. Said thinking about Vinnie Jones weirdly but really just the sentence had more impact with three names.
But i am a racist according to you.
Crikey. So wrong !!!
Your words remind me of Meghan Markle having a child and asked by royal members as to what colour they would be and Oprah Winfrey showing mock outrage. Many years ago, i was asked by my parents when was engaged to an indian girl, a similar question. Wasnt racism its a question of practicality. Really though, you are totally misreading the meaning of my words re Varane. Anyway, end of.
Regards the deal turned down at Ā£5.2 million at the end of the season if promoted.
Ā£5.2 million for Varane is decent on its own. Think strong possibility he will be moved on and being sold for higher than Edwards brought in for, is decent money for the club, but Varane is a player would like to keep myself but our model suggests otherwise, which i do understand. [Post edited 13 Jan 23:47]
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You were race baiting not abusing. The subtle implication was Varane receives a disproportionate level of criticism compared to 3 other footballers you named (who happen to be white and one of whom, weirdly, is Vinnie Jones). Not only is this racial dog whistling but it's factually incorrect.
Varane gets a lot of love, borne out by the fact he has his own song. Any criticism that he's received from some quarters is simply down to his poor performances this season and nothing to do whatsoever with his already retired half brother or his race.
Sam Field and Paul Smyth have also received their fair share of criticism. Indeed, it was only a few weeks ago that the club posted a statement condemning online hate directed towards the latter. [Post edited 14 Jan 12:09]
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 12:49 - Jan 14 with 1963 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 12:06 - Jan 13 by LazyFan |
If its Ā£5m sell him.
He may get better, but if he does it won't be by much.
And with Ā£5m we can buy a replacement for Ā£1m from the lower leagues and Ā£2m for that mythical LB and pocket the rest (which means we may not have to sell again for a while).
Hayden was brought in to do a job, lets get him earning his keep. |
I might be wrong, but while the club loses nearly Ā£2m every month QPR will (and should) sell their best player every year, whilst feeding that same conveyor belt to make another good player.
Its the model we had in the early 90's that took us to top london club and only fell over when we failed to replace Les Ferdinand's goals properly, also costing us Gerry Francis, who was a great fit for the team at that time.
I think its harsh to compare Varane to Field and Smyth, as they are at different stages of their careers. All three players have their limits, this is why they are at QPR after all.
But, the hope is that Varane can develop a bit more and make his game more rounded.
Unfortunately this year we haven't seen too much of this and Hayden gave a decent demonstration of what a DCM can do. I doubt Hayden can reach those levels for more than 30 games in a season, so he isn't the long term answer.
I was impressed with Alfie Tuck from the DS, but he is very lightweight and hasn't been anywhere near our first team (did he feature in the League Cup game?) |  | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 14:41 - Jan 14 with 1837 views | QPRSam |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 12:06 - Jan 14 by Benny_the_Ball |
You were race baiting not abusing. The subtle implication was Varane receives a disproportionate level of criticism compared to 3 other footballers you named (who happen to be white and one of whom, weirdly, is Vinnie Jones). Not only is this racial dog whistling but it's factually incorrect.
Varane gets a lot of love, borne out by the fact he has his own song. Any criticism that he's received from some quarters is simply down to his poor performances this season and nothing to do whatsoever with his already retired half brother or his race.
Sam Field and Paul Smyth have also received their fair share of criticism. Indeed, it was only a few weeks ago that the club posted a statement condemning online hate directed towards the latter. [Post edited 14 Jan 12:09]
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Maybe you're right in this instance because a lot of the Varane abuse is very Madsen-esque from last season. However is any "racial dog whistling" as you say that incorrect when you still have bizarre commentary on big channels like below about Kolli after the West Ham game
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 14:55 - Jan 14 with 1757 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 14:41 - Jan 14 by QPRSam |
Maybe you're right in this instance because a lot of the Varane abuse is very Madsen-esque from last season. However is any "racial dog whistling" as you say that incorrect when you still have bizarre commentary on big channels like below about Kolli after the West Ham game
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*Apple Gaffes*
āRonald Wayne, the little-known third founder of a some fruit company called Apple, sold his 10% stake back to his co-founders for only $800. Today, a 10% stake in Apple would be worth more than $90 billion.ā
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I think maybe Jamez hasn't seen that many embarrassing things before, or just really rates Kolli? | | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 15:11 - Jan 14 with 1644 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 14:41 - Jan 14 by QPRSam |
Maybe you're right in this instance because a lot of the Varane abuse is very Madsen-esque from last season. However is any "racial dog whistling" as you say that incorrect when you still have bizarre commentary on big channels like below about Kolli after the West Ham game
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Wow, that's quite the take. | | | |
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 15:21 - Jan 14 with 1628 views | QPRSam |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 14:55 - Jan 14 by nick_hammersmith |
*Apple Gaffes*
āRonald Wayne, the little-known third founder of a some fruit company called Apple, sold his 10% stake back to his co-founders for only $800. Today, a 10% stake in Apple would be worth more than $90 billion.ā
I think maybe Jamez hasn't seen that many embarrassing things before, or just really rates Kolli? |
"or just really rates Kolli"
or maybe doesn't want to see one of the clubs players profiled by their appearance and ethnicity? One of the brightest prospects out of our academy, one of our own, deserves better. I don't get your comment | | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 15:27 - Jan 14 with 1585 views | WestbourneR |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 15:11 - Jan 14 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Wow, that's quite the take. |
Well Kev Gallen and Dave McIntyre wrote Kolli off last season on their podcast as not good enough - which I, and several others, called out at the time.
Now, as all the evidence points to the contrary, they're still failing around trying to justify their (wrong) opinion. Apparently he's not good, he just has big hair and Algerian heritage... hmmmm. Ok.
These are the people btw who said Madsen would never be any good. Now our best player.
So yeah, Gallen, great former player, McIntyre, good reporter.
Both couldn't spot a player if smacked them in the face. |  |
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 15:30 - Jan 14 with 1567 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 14:41 - Jan 14 by QPRSam |
Maybe you're right in this instance because a lot of the Varane abuse is very Madsen-esque from last season. However is any "racial dog whistling" as you say that incorrect when you still have bizarre commentary on big channels like below about Kolli after the West Ham game
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I think Dave Mcs comment regarding Kolli is more to do with how he comes across. The hair comment is in line with players that used to wear bright pink boots or playing with socks rolled down.
You want to draw attention to yourself you better back it up. As yet, bar a few games, Kolli hasn't. Hopefully he will.
I'm sure Cloughie would have had him straight down the barbers for a short back and sides pronto. | |
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 15:52 - Jan 14 with 1463 views | JamesB1979 |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 12:06 - Jan 14 by Benny_the_Ball |
You were race baiting not abusing. The subtle implication was Varane receives a disproportionate level of criticism compared to 3 other footballers you named (who happen to be white and one of whom, weirdly, is Vinnie Jones). Not only is this racial dog whistling but it's factually incorrect.
Varane gets a lot of love, borne out by the fact he has his own song. Any criticism that he's received from some quarters is simply down to his poor performances this season and nothing to do whatsoever with his already retired half brother or his race.
Sam Field and Paul Smyth have also received their fair share of criticism. Indeed, it was only a few weeks ago that the club posted a statement condemning online hate directed towards the latter. [Post edited 14 Jan 12:09]
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He wasnāt race baiting at all. I didnāt even register the āraceā of the names mentioned. It was well-know / big-name brother. Think you are very unfair to keep digging him out on that.
That said, I do disagree with the point that he gets abuse due to his name.
He does get relatively (to other qpr players) too much abuse on here. But simple reason is that he is undroppable seemingly by JS, when we have decent replacements. That irritates a lot on here I think. A qpr comparison would be the grief that Steve Palmer used to get for being played central midfield at the start of our promotion season. Palmer wasnāt bad. Neither is Varane. | | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 16:15 - Jan 14 with 1418 views | daveB |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 15:30 - Jan 14 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I think Dave Mcs comment regarding Kolli is more to do with how he comes across. The hair comment is in line with players that used to wear bright pink boots or playing with socks rolled down.
You want to draw attention to yourself you better back it up. As yet, bar a few games, Kolli hasn't. Hopefully he will.
I'm sure Cloughie would have had him straight down the barbers for a short back and sides pronto. |
Dave Mc did say seconds later that Kolli had proved him wrong but the clip is cut before he does that.
I did think when I heard it that he'll get a load of stick for saying that, was a bit silly from him. |  | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 16:27 - Jan 14 with 1345 views | kensalriser |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 15:30 - Jan 14 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I think Dave Mcs comment regarding Kolli is more to do with how he comes across. The hair comment is in line with players that used to wear bright pink boots or playing with socks rolled down.
You want to draw attention to yourself you better back it up. As yet, bar a few games, Kolli hasn't. Hopefully he will.
I'm sure Cloughie would have had him straight down the barbers for a short back and sides pronto. |
Drawing attention to yourself? I mean, if you don't want to do that better not pick a career where you're on show in front of tens of thousands of people every week. What is all this with policing people's hairstyles? Kolli is wearing his natural hair, it just happens to be longer than current fashions. So what? He hasn't dyed it in blue and white hoops and tattooed his neck with "World's Number 1 Striker". I don't remember people saying Bircham had to back it up when he had blue and white hair.
Also, the absolute nonsense of people who grew up in the 70s and 80s criticising people for the length of their hair. Duh! |  |
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 16:39 - Jan 14 with 1288 views | BklynRanger |
Maybe this thread is getting a bit sociocultural because the answer is fairly simple and we've run out of things to say about it:
If we get an offer for any player that's nearly 6 times what we paid for them then yes - sell. |  | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 16:43 - Jan 14 with 1267 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 16:39 - Jan 14 by BklynRanger |
Maybe this thread is getting a bit sociocultural because the answer is fairly simple and we've run out of things to say about it:
If we get an offer for any player that's nearly 6 times what we paid for them then yes - sell. |
Right now, Jude the Cat has a travel bag by the front door. |  |
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 17:21 - Jan 14 with 1125 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 15:21 - Jan 14 by QPRSam |
"or just really rates Kolli"
or maybe doesn't want to see one of the clubs players profiled by their appearance and ethnicity? One of the brightest prospects out of our academy, one of our own, deserves better. I don't get your comment |
I took it in the same context as when Warnock describes Adel as "the boy wearing gloves"
Kevin Gallen is from another generation, its not upto us to re-educate him, or try and change his behaviour.
I like Kolli, I think his contribution per min is amazing. But he needs to get to 50+ apps in the Champ to establish himself and prove everyone wrong. He is in no way a finished article, i'm sure he is a lovely young man, but his on pitch demeanour looks surly to me. I'm struggling to describe it, but maybe a touch of the Tyler Roberts.
Against West Ham there were a couple of misplaced passes, where Smyth or Mbengue were not in the correct position to receive the ball and Rayan was not happy with them.
I'd love to see one of our own do it, get a run in the first team and prove everyone wrong. But, I don't see the hype just yet.
Fully ready to eat my hat though, happy to! | | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 19:32 - Jan 14 with 947 views | mart_Goblin |
I think the word āabuseā is a strong one which is thrown around far too easily by some on here .
Criticism of course ā¦even āstickā occasionally, but I really donāt see players āabusedā on Loft for Words.
And itās easy to claim when itās a differing opinion to yourself.
Itās not social media and all power to the folk on this message board for keeping it a place of respect and opinion. |  | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 19:37 - Jan 14 with 935 views | mart_Goblin |
Oh and as many have said ā¦I like Varane. Decent player and decent guy but if we are offered anything close to whatās been mentioned then we should take it .
How many players went for diminished fees in recent times because we didnāt sell when we should have ?
He could improve of course. But you canāt take that risk . Get what you can in this case . | | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 20:09 - Jan 14 with 858 views | flynnbo |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 16:43 - Jan 14 by BrianMcCarthy |
Right now, Jude the Cat has a travel bag by the front door. |
Well, he did get outdanced by Hammerhead on Sunday. The previous Jude would have wiped the (dance) floor with him. |  | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 20:29 - Jan 14 with 755 views | qpr_1968 |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 08:38 - Jan 14 by numptydumpty |
Wow. i was weirdly but never mind.....
A mind reader is a very impressive skill you have there Benny. [Post edited 14 Jan 8:41]
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he knew you was gonna say that... | |
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| Sell Jon Varane ? on 23:35 - Jan 14 with 583 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 14:41 - Jan 14 by QPRSam |
Maybe you're right in this instance because a lot of the Varane abuse is very Madsen-esque from last season. However is any "racial dog whistling" as you say that incorrect when you still have bizarre commentary on big channels like below about Kolli after the West Ham game
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IMHO Dave Mac was also race baiting. A very odd thing to say indeed. | | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 23:43 - Jan 14 with 567 views | 1JD |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 23:35 - Jan 14 by Benny_the_Ball |
IMHO Dave Mac was also race baiting. A very odd thing to say indeed. |
I agree. And it probably wasnāt a conscious decision or impulse. In any case, it was extremely poor form. | | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 23:48 - Jan 14 with 554 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 15:52 - Jan 14 by JamesB1979 |
He wasnāt race baiting at all. I didnāt even register the āraceā of the names mentioned. It was well-know / big-name brother. Think you are very unfair to keep digging him out on that.
That said, I do disagree with the point that he gets abuse due to his name.
He does get relatively (to other qpr players) too much abuse on here. But simple reason is that he is undroppable seemingly by JS, when we have decent replacements. That irritates a lot on here I think. A qpr comparison would be the grief that Steve Palmer used to get for being played central midfield at the start of our promotion season. Palmer wasnāt bad. Neither is Varane. |
I couldn't care less what you think is unfair. He was race baiting and I wasn't the only one to notice it. If you didn't register it then perhaps you need to wake up.
You're also not registering the fact that his (and your) argument is factually incorrect. Field and Smyth get as much if not more criticism than Varane.
It was only a few short weeks ago that the club made an official statement condemning online abuse aimed at Paul. Meanwhile, Varane has his own song. | | | |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 00:13 - Jan 15 with 509 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Sell Jon Varane ? on 20:09 - Jan 14 by flynnbo |
Well, he did get outdanced by Hammerhead on Sunday. The previous Jude would have wiped the (dance) floor with him. |
Latest Jude moves like heās got the weight of the universe on his shoulders. Previous Jude may have been a bit of a āladies manā but had sparkle in his lower paws. |  | | |
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