| Europe in or out 11:22 - May 12 with 7941 views | runningman75 |
So the Tories want to bring the EU referendum forward until 2016. I am personally in favour of remaining in the EU. The EU is not perfect but worried about us becoming little Britain or England/Wales/ Northern Ireland in the case of Scottish independence. |  | | |  |
| Europe in or out on 15:47 - May 12 with 1574 views | peejaybee |
Oh you mean the Flat Pack Self Assembly Industry.. |  |
| If at first you dont succeed, pack up and f**k off home. |
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| Europe in or out (n/t) on 16:00 - May 12 with 1555 views | hopphoops |
| Europe in or out (n/t) on 14:10 - May 12 by TheBlob |
There y'go - it's started already. |
If you all vote out, about 5 million UK citizens will be turfed out of Europe and you'll get a veritable Tsunami of feckless English teachers, chalet girls and barmen cluttering up job centres, complaining things aren't how they used to be and lecturing you on how to pronounce Bruschetta.
Is that what you want? really? |  |
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| Europe in or out on 16:06 - May 12 with 1540 views | londonscottish |
In as I think the economic benefits of the free trade arrangements outweigh the downsides. After all that's what we originally signed up for.
After a lot of bluster that's how that majority of people will vote. |  |
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| Europe in or out on 16:12 - May 12 with 1523 views | francisbowles |
Scare stories will frighten people into voting for the status quo (no, not the band!)
If one of the economically more stable countries leaves the EU voluntarily, there could be a rush to join them and the whole thing could come tumbling down. | | | |
| Europe in or out on 16:12 - May 12 with 1522 views | hopphoops |
| Europe in or out on 15:09 - May 12 by peejaybee |
I did not know we had a Car Industry.
Is it hiding away somewhere. |
According to Top Gear (possibly from a while back...), more cars are built in Sunderland than Italy. | |
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| Europe in or out on 16:26 - May 12 with 1484 views | billericaydicky |
| Europe in or out on 16:12 - May 12 by francisbowles |
Scare stories will frighten people into voting for the status quo (no, not the band!)
If one of the economically more stable countries leaves the EU voluntarily, there could be a rush to join them and the whole thing could come tumbling down. |
Good. |  | | |
| Europe in or out on 16:38 - May 12 with 1440 views | billericaydicky |
| Europe in or out on 13:10 - May 12 by Discodroids |
until these crusty old warts can sign off some audited accounts , they havent for 18 years, like any other fiscal responsible and competent organisation . they can sling their euro flag, army and cold meats right up their puckered arseholes.
in addition id love to see that jean claude junker work in my probation office for a week to see him dealing with the cultural explosion of criminals from eastern europe which has enriched my life beyond measure. [Post edited 12 May 2015 13:13]
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Indeed Disco - If I tried to refuse to submit my annual firm's accounts to HMRC they'd be down on me like Gillian Taylforth.
We need to have a debate and vote on it once and for all as I don't think that what the country voted for 40 years ago is anything like what we have now. | | | |
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| Europe in or out on 16:48 - May 12 with 1417 views | JacksDad |
| Europe in or out on 16:38 - May 12 by billericaydicky |
Indeed Disco - If I tried to refuse to submit my annual firm's accounts to HMRC they'd be down on me like Gillian Taylforth.
We need to have a debate and vote on it once and for all as I don't think that what the country voted for 40 years ago is anything like what we have now. |
The problem we have is that the Establishment are so horrible that the rest of the world hates us and wants us to fail. To go out alone will allow us to be sent to Coventry and the world will finally pay us back for colonialism and just being pompous. You think its a coincidence that Brits are always the baddies in films and that no other country votes for us in Eurovision.
We are the Leeds of the international community!! [Post edited 12 May 2015 16:49]
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| Europe in or out on 16:51 - May 12 with 1407 views | derbyhoop |
| Europe in or out on 15:09 - May 12 by peejaybee |
I did not know we had a Car Industry.
Is it hiding away somewhere. |
Apart from the 7,000 jobs at Toyota's assembly plant, 3 miles from my house; Nissan, the biggest employer in Sunderland; Honda, one of the biggest employers in Swindon.
Of course, they all invest here because of a deep emotional attachment to the UK and I'm sure that if Britain were to leave the EU, their biggest export market, they would think long and hard before they divert their future investments to other European factories. |  |
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| Europe in or out on 16:57 - May 12 with 1394 views | QPR_John |
| Europe in or out on 16:51 - May 12 by derbyhoop |
Apart from the 7,000 jobs at Toyota's assembly plant, 3 miles from my house; Nissan, the biggest employer in Sunderland; Honda, one of the biggest employers in Swindon.
Of course, they all invest here because of a deep emotional attachment to the UK and I'm sure that if Britain were to leave the EU, their biggest export market, they would think long and hard before they divert their future investments to other European factories. |
They cannot only be here because we are in the EU there are 27 other countries they can set up in. So the question is does being in the EU outweighs all the other reasons for them being here | | | |
| Europe in or out on 17:00 - May 12 with 1384 views | billericaydicky |
| Europe in or out on 16:48 - May 12 by JacksDad |
The problem we have is that the Establishment are so horrible that the rest of the world hates us and wants us to fail. To go out alone will allow us to be sent to Coventry and the world will finally pay us back for colonialism and just being pompous. You think its a coincidence that Brits are always the baddies in films and that no other country votes for us in Eurovision.
We are the Leeds of the international community!! [Post edited 12 May 2015 16:49]
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None likes us, no one likes us...
We are Leeds, we are Leeds, we are Leeds...etc.
Fck 'em | | | |
| Europe in or out on 17:06 - May 12 with 1333 views | batmanhoop |
it's gone up to 5 million now has it, didn't realise we had so many working in Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Italy, Estonia, France . . . | | | |
| Europe in or out on 17:44 - May 12 with 1303 views | R_from_afar |
Some more reasons - concrete reasons, backed by research - why we must stay in, following on from what Stumble and Fall posted:
- Membership makes each one of us better off to the tune of £1,225 per person, every year. That's around £70 billion in total (Source: CBI)
- The Single Market gives our companies access to a market of over 500 million people to sell our world-class goods and services (Source: CBI).
- Thanks to our EU membership we have trade deals with countries across the globe,
worth £15 trillion — we'd struggle to pull off deals of this scale on our own (Source: CBI).
- 1300 Japanese companies have invested in the UK because it is in the EU (Source: The Japanese government's response to Whitehall's Balance of Competences analysis (this year) on EU membership).
- If Britain leaves the European Union it could knock up to 14 percent off its gross domestic product by 2030, taking into account all negative factors including lost economic dynamism, a study by two leading German institutes found. Based on 2014 values, Britain's GDP could be 313 billion euros (£224 billion) lower - or 4,850 euros per capita - by 2030 in a worst-case scenario, the study released on 27th April 2015 by the Bertelsmann Foundation and Ifo economic research institute said.
It would be commercial suicide to leave but then Cameron knows that. The referendum is a sop to his Eurosceptics but he is praying the public votes to stay in.
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| Europe in or out on 18:55 - May 12 with 1265 views | TheBlob |
| Europe in or out on 17:44 - May 12 by R_from_afar |
Some more reasons - concrete reasons, backed by research - why we must stay in, following on from what Stumble and Fall posted:
- Membership makes each one of us better off to the tune of £1,225 per person, every year. That's around £70 billion in total (Source: CBI)
- The Single Market gives our companies access to a market of over 500 million people to sell our world-class goods and services (Source: CBI).
- Thanks to our EU membership we have trade deals with countries across the globe,
worth £15 trillion — we'd struggle to pull off deals of this scale on our own (Source: CBI).
- 1300 Japanese companies have invested in the UK because it is in the EU (Source: The Japanese government's response to Whitehall's Balance of Competences analysis (this year) on EU membership).
- If Britain leaves the European Union it could knock up to 14 percent off its gross domestic product by 2030, taking into account all negative factors including lost economic dynamism, a study by two leading German institutes found. Based on 2014 values, Britain's GDP could be 313 billion euros (£224 billion) lower - or 4,850 euros per capita - by 2030 in a worst-case scenario, the study released on 27th April 2015 by the Bertelsmann Foundation and Ifo economic research institute said.
It would be commercial suicide to leave but then Cameron knows that. The referendum is a sop to his Eurosceptics but he is praying the public votes to stay in.
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Cameron knows the crash is coming.The government has been desperately trying to offload its shareholdings in RBS and LLoyds. |  |
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| Europe in or out on 21:20 - May 12 with 1174 views | hopphoops |
| Europe in or out on 17:06 - May 12 by batmanhoop |
it's gone up to 5 million now has it, didn't realise we had so many working in Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Italy, Estonia, France . . . |
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| Europe in or out on 22:08 - May 12 with 1143 views | Mark1 |
Never mind a European Referendum,which will just be a manoeuvre for a better deal.
I predict a riot,I predict a riot.
When the youth realise that they've been conned into believing if they work hard and educate themselves that they'll be able to get a well paid career,buy a house,afford a car,go on holidays, etc,etc like a lot of us on here could.
People are getting paid now what we could earn 20 years ago,yet everything's gone up.
Something is seriously wrong. | | | |
| Europe in or out on 22:22 - May 12 with 1127 views | Jamie |
In, however with the disclaimer that I'd like to see the government spend some money educating potential migrants coming here of the fact that they do need to speak decent English to get on here, and I'd personally also exclude all access to any form of benefits for migrants until they've been here and working for 6 months. | | | |
| Europe in or out on 22:25 - May 12 with 1122 views | AgedR |
| Europe in or out on 18:55 - May 12 by TheBlob |
Cameron knows the crash is coming.The government has been desperately trying to offload its shareholdings in RBS and LLoyds. |
Bloody Gordon Brown! |  |
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| Europe in or out on 22:28 - May 12 with 1110 views | AgedR |
I think that the LFW political tribes should get a free vote on this.
Back in the day Europe was seen as a huge undemocratic capitalist cartel.
I do miss old wedger... | |
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| Europe in or out on 22:28 - May 12 with 1108 views | kensalriser |
We've had the banking crash, there won't be another one any time soon. It was always part of the bailout plan that the Gov would divest the RBS and Lloyds shares. That they are is a sign of greater stability, not the other way around. |  |
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| Europe in or out on 22:46 - May 12 with 1091 views | richpr |
| Europe in or out on 13:04 - May 12 by stumbleandfall |
REASONS WHY BRITAIN’S FUTURE IS IN THE EU
1. Jobs
Around 3.5 million British jobs are directly linked to British membership of the European Union’s single market — 1 in 10 British jobs.
2. Exports & investment
The EU buys over 50 per cent of UK exports (54 per cent of goods, 40 per cent of services).
Over 300,000 British companies and 74 per cent of British exporters operate in other EU markets.
American and Asian EU firms build factories in Britain because it is in the single market.
3. Trade
The EU negotiates trade agreements with the rest of the world. Outside the EU Britain would have to renegotiate trade deals alone. While the EU is the world’s largest market, a UK outside the EU would not be a high priority for other counties to negotiate a trade deal.
4. Consumer clout
British families enjoy lower mobile phone roaming charges, lower credit card fees, cheaper flights and proper compensation when flights are delayed or cancelled. These sorts of benefits could not be achieved by Britain alone.
5. Clean environment
Through commonly agreed EU standards, national Governments have achieved improvements to the quality of air, rivers and beaches. Good for Britain and good for Britons holidaying or living abroad!
6. Power to curb the multinationals
The EU has taken on multinational giants like Microsoft, Samsung and Toshiba for unfair competition. The UK would not be able to do this alone.
7. Freedom to work and study abroad — and easy travel
1.4 million British people live abroad in the EU. More than 14,500 UK students took part in the European Union’s Erasmus student exchange scheme in 2012-13. Driving licences issued in the UK are valid throughout the EU.
8. Peace and democracy
The EU has helped secure peace among previously warring western European nations. It helped to consolidate democracy in Spain, Portugal, Greece and former Soviet bloc countries and helped preserve peace in the Balkans since the end of the Balkans War. With the UN it now plays a leading role in conflict prevention, peacekeeping and democracy building.
9. Equal pay and non-discrimination
Equal pay for men and women is enshrined in EU law, as are bans on discrimination by age, race or sexual orientation. This benefits Britain and British people who live in other EU countries.
10. Influence in the world
As 28 democracies, and as the world’s biggest market, we are strong when we work together.
Britain is represented in many international organisations in joint EU delegations — giving Britain more influence than it would have alone. The EU has played a major role in climate, world trade and development.
11. Cutting red tape
Common rules for the common market make it unnecessary to have 28 sets of national regulations.
12. Fighting crime
The European Arrest Warrant replaced long extradition procedures and enables the UK to extradite criminals wanted in other EU countries, and bring to justice criminals wanted in the UK who are hiding in other EU countries.
Eurojust helps UK authorities work with other EU countries’ to tackle international organised crime such as drug smuggling, people trafficking and money laundering.
13. Research funding
The UK is the second largest beneficiary of EU research funds, and the British Government expects future EU research funding to constitute a vital source of income for our world-leading universities and companies |
we import more from Europe than we export - they need us more than we need them - if they tax our trade with Europe- we tax their trade with us. Less BMWs, Mercedes and Renaults. If it means less economic immigrants from Rumania then it might give the youth of today a chance. Nobody has persuaded me yet that EU immigrants are good for the UK economy. They just keep wages down. Yes - they work hard but cant see where they pay much tax (10k allowance before tax paid) and the strain they put on local infrastructure (doctors, hospitals, housingetc.) is astronomical. Last time I went to hospital and doctors 50% were eastern european. Those working especially in the building trade avoid tax and send their money home.
Just watching Newsnight and the EEC are terrified of the UK exiting their unelected club as we are a major net contributor | | | |
| Europe in or out on 22:53 - May 12 with 1783 views | TheBlob |
| Europe in or out on 22:28 - May 12 by kensalriser |
We've had the banking crash, there won't be another one any time soon. It was always part of the bailout plan that the Gov would divest the RBS and Lloyds shares. That they are is a sign of greater stability, not the other way around. |
Really?You go into a bank here or anywhere on the continent and you try and take out a large amount.First off they'll ask what do you want it for?YOUR money.There is negative interest rates in some European banks now.There are cash reserves in some Greek banks enough to cover about two weeks.Many Greeks are now buying tangible assets like cars.The signs are all around you,chose to ignore them at your peril or just because you want to take the opposite view on principle.
There's a quadrillion pounds of derivatives out there levied on the western banking system and all are linked - a bet a commodity will be worth something in the future,casino banking.It can't go on.Massive liabilities that cannot be sustained.People don't realise European banks are technically insolvent.
But don't let me put you off your pie in the sky complacency. [Post edited 12 May 2015 22:59]
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| Europe in or out on 23:01 - May 12 with 1766 views | FredManRave |
| Europe in or out on 16:12 - May 12 by hopphoops |
According to Top Gear (possibly from a while back...), more cars are built in Sunderland than Italy. |
Stolen, surely?! |  |
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| Europe in or out on 23:08 - May 12 with 1762 views | TheBlob |
| Europe in or out on 22:53 - May 12 by TheBlob |
Really?You go into a bank here or anywhere on the continent and you try and take out a large amount.First off they'll ask what do you want it for?YOUR money.There is negative interest rates in some European banks now.There are cash reserves in some Greek banks enough to cover about two weeks.Many Greeks are now buying tangible assets like cars.The signs are all around you,chose to ignore them at your peril or just because you want to take the opposite view on principle.
There's a quadrillion pounds of derivatives out there levied on the western banking system and all are linked - a bet a commodity will be worth something in the future,casino banking.It can't go on.Massive liabilities that cannot be sustained.People don't realise European banks are technically insolvent.
But don't let me put you off your pie in the sky complacency. [Post edited 12 May 2015 22:59]
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Quantitive Easing has further f*cked things.They floode the market with cheap cash which was supposed to be disbursed at zero interest rates and all the banks have done is sat on the amounts and refused to release it.We're unofficially in a recession.
All it needs is one spark,some nation to default on loans or something and then you'll get Robert F*cking Peston interviewing lines of punters outside Barclays et al frantically trying to withdraw their money.
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